Would you vote for Labour/Getting rid of Triple Lock at the next general election?

[mybiggreenfrog]

Yes (YABU)
No (YANBU)

If they do away with the triple lock it wouldn’t deter them from getting my vote - as long as they abolish PIP for people with ‘anxiety’ and other ailments we all live through and get on with our daily lives - including holding down a job. To posters on here aggressively asking what benefits immigrants get - surely the ones arriving on illegal crossings get accommodation, food and spending money? That has to be paid for by taxpayers. I’m 67 and still working and paying tax. My husband died before he was old enough to receive a pension. I’m not living in the lap of luxury like younger generations imagine. The less we get now, the less generations of the future will get.

The changes to the triple lock are doable. But they will not fund social care costs for all.
I wonder what will be in the budget.
The conference was a test of confidence in Burnham and his ideas. He clearly told them to try not to indulge in infighting. As Labour are inclined to do. He realises even if some do not that it is more than a talking shop amongst the faithful these days, but a platform, an advert to those who do not vote Labour.
There was an uneasy moment when he announced he will fight tooth and nail for the ideas he believed in. And conference sat silently. And he waited. And waited. Then someone clapped. Thankfully. And he asked the Labour devotees to go with him if they believed in the majority of what he said. He explained he knows full well there will be some issues some will not agree with.
It was a good speech. And at least he has some ideas. I don’t agree with them all. But he has some gumption. He was setting out his stall to the Labour Party.
I really did not agree with changing the voting system for example.
The budget will set out some detail to everyone. Labour devotee or not.

I would. It seems fair and I say that as someone who is going to be collecting my pension in a year's time.

Do the Tories have a credible alternative to Kemi?

I agree with scrapping the triple lock, even though it affects me. But not to redirect the money to elder social care. That should remain means tested. Why should people who have nothing have to pay towards the care of people who have plenty?

Labour needed to change leader, I’m not sure why you’re looking elsewhere for other changes.

It was Starmer who was ousted.

I am glad they have ditched the Triple Lock and impressed that Andy Burnham actually had the balls to do it. I think all parties would be glad to have it off the books and that they wouldn’t have wanted to be the ones to do it. For me, it’s improved my opinion of Burnham.

Open your eyes, if you can't see there's no hope for you!

Spot on ❤️❤️❤️

We are :-(

I will wait and see. Burnham is a man able to galvanise. Good with words. And ideas of social good.
Actual delivery matters. Of much. I do hope he is not trying to run before he can walk. I would love it if he can deliver. But it takes a team to do that. When I look at the cabinet I am less enthralled.

I'm not looking for changes, I'm suggesting a reason why the Tories might hang on to their leader.

Labour had an alternative. The Tories might be hanging onto Kemi because the candidate pool to replace her is dire.

But they get free NHS, dentists, taxis, phones, clothes etc. :-(

I don’t think they’re unhappy, as Labour MPs were with Starmer.

It’s been posted on here about Kemi going when in reality it was Starmer who got ousted. More posts on the same don’t seem compelling.

True. The dearth of able politicians is viewable across all the parties.
Too many are career politicians.

One I am curious about, who is actually able is Nadeem Zahawi. Arguably Reform’s biggest scalp. He is the only bod who is not in their ‘shadow cabinet’. And has no job. I can only assume he is being lined up for Farage who does not, in my view want, ever, to really be PM. He would hate it.

Urban myth. They get nothing of the sort apart from healthcare. Are you sufficiently heartless to deny a sick human being that?

Do you think the same about the NHS? People who have some money should not get treatment?

Perhaps the Tories have a lower bar.

They get about £50 per week for food and other personal items, plus, of course, a roof over their head.

Every time Labour has been in power they have left the country bankrupt.

That isn’t clothes, phones and taxis, is it?

Oh right a funny way to look at Starmer going. Oh well he got ousted so that’s something at least.

What bollocks. The last time they left government they bailed the banks out after a global financial meltdown. Look how the debt increased after that despite austerity. And I refer you to Truss.

All they do is give millions away to other countries and let more illegals in via both boat and plane.

Unlike the previous government?