Would you vote for Labour/Getting rid of Triple Lock at the next general election?

[mybiggreenfrog]

Yes (YABU)
No (YANBU)

What on earth are you talking about? Of course they do. My partner’s an immigrant, several family members are immigrants. 17% of universal credit claims are from foreign nationals. People on temporary visas are not eligible, but others are

I am pro immigration by the way, especially skilled immigration. I work in London and many colleagues and clients are from different countries and contribute a huge amount in skilled work and in taxes. But some of the misinformation is bonkers. They claim the free nursery hours, if under £100k. They are entitled to the NHS and child benefit (if under the salary amount). In fact many go back to their own countries for medical treatment as do not like the NHS and consider it substandard. But of course would use it for emergency or routine care

Yes I support it, if it helps the social care budget. And I speak as someone who’ll be retiring in a couple of years.

No voting Labour for many other reasons, TL has nothing to do with this.

Wait to see the budget. TL won't generate required savings, even remotely.

Yes exactly. Although I accept that for the sake of my children who will be unlikely to get any kind of state pension at all and are likely to have to live in a country, drowning in debtunless they can bugger off somewhere else before the shit hits the fan.

He's probably trying to jawbone down the bond markets on the basis of future savings.

Whether that will work or not is another issue.

Bond markets not surprisingly are more interested in actions when it comes to politicians promising savings.

Many people’s children are going aboard to live and work ; I know of three families whose children live in the Middle East as they feel the uk hasn’t anything to offer them here. It’s sad that the UK is losing all that potential tax revenue.

I'm a pensioner. I support the removal of the triple lock.

But everyone under 40 (or so) has had a compulsory workplace pension so won’t be as reliant on the state pension as their only source of income in retirement, which will come later in age.

One aspect Andy B has to deal with is the change in peoples attitudes to work. And their sense of self.
He was talking about how a working class lad managed to become a PM and how fantastic it was he had opportunities his father did not, that he and his brothers seized those chances and achieved.
Many people do not see themselves as working class anymore. Or do not want to.
And too many people do not aspire to work hard. The work ethic has not disappeared for some, some people work very hard indeed. But not enough do. And that will put a spanner in his plans.
He will need to alter attitudes. And that will be hard.

It is a question of perspective. Many of the asylum hotels are incredibly grim and represent poor value for money. The Tories signed terrible contracts.

Some of the angst around the expense is due to a perception that the high cost is associated with reasonable value for money and therefore the asylum seekers are living pretty well in the hotels. This is very wrong.

Of course there are big problems with the asylum system. But asylum seekers living it up on taxpayer money is not one of them.

I agree.

As for Badenoch she's an unserious politician who was part of the last failed Tory government. I'm not interested in anything she has to say.

Yes, AB is a brave leader who is planning to tackle some of this countries long held issues. An aging population, social care in crisis, a great move.

I will sacrifice my pension rises as long as social care is state run and not, on the back of Conservative policy, privatised. I don’t want my hard earned money to be providing profits for shareholders and large CEO salaries and bonuses. Reinvestment in the nations care is what is needed.

I agree with your wish list.

A party who would do all this but ALSO:

• respect our natural world and listen to science rather than big oil lobbyists, drive investment into renewables,
• drive out corruption by limiting donations to political parties;
• introduce proportional representation voting so that everyone’s vote counts and democracy is protected from rampant polarisation;
• reform taxes on private equity earnings so that UK businesses like care homes and nurseries don’t get gobbled up by private equity, hobbled with debt and then costs cut so that quality declines (did you know that during COVID, 50% more deaths occurred in care homes owned by private equity firms vs normal companies!);
• scrap stamp duty and replace with an unimproved land value tax (and set sensible thresholds that don’t punish regular families living in expensive areas. None of this 3 bedroom mid-terrace postage stamp garden “mansion tax”)…

…would get my vote.

Reform wouldn’t do any of my part 2 though and are as corrupt as any party has ever been in the UK so are definitely not my choice. I do wish there was a party that was socially/fiscally conservative and environmentally/scientifically progressive though.

And a party who was brave to do big things - who would look at ALL the taxes and benefits and get the best economic minds to look at their impact on growth, at their unintended impacts, and then just improve the whole thing.

No. And because there will be so many other reasons not to vote for them (ie I don't want a Socialist Government).

You’ll need to move on from ‘tories’ as Labour are in power and setting up barracks for mass accommodation.

Labour who have barely been in power in my lifetime haven’t had much chance to bankrupt a country

there was a lot of corruption during the last few Tory decades

I will never have time for anyone who thinks that children should suffer in the name of controlling benefits

If you listen to the whole thing. He goes on to say he would look at delaying the start of the National care scheme until there was enough to pay for it. Then if you use your brain you will realise the majority of the saving come in much nearer 2040. Lets no one really has a clue what he is talking about but its ok because we can all hope and pray it will all be ok.

Because everything was going so well before they got in!

This is a really important point - and I’ve got to say, for me, this is one of the things that really appealed to me about Andy Burnham’s speech. I think one of the reasons I’ve felt so disillusioned with politics over the past years is that we’ve got so stuck in a cycle of really short term, knee jerk politics, where it feels like politicians are constantly pitching populist policies that are really just tinkering. How refreshing to hear a politician brave enough to be honest about the fact that real transformative change takes time.

A drop in the ocean compared to the expenditure on pensions and related benefits.

Strange isn't it that some never blame the Tories for their errors. They made plenty of them.

Are you getting the single discount.
Have you checked with the council tax dept that is right you have to pay the full tax bill while only getting state pension.

Exactly. I do t have the expectation of the pensions my parents and grandparents enjoyed.

A social care safety net is more likely to be important to me, and much of the population

It is not a question of perspective. It should be a question of the actual figures and costs. The actual costs are high at £5bn a year