Would you vote for Labour/Getting rid of Triple Lock at the next general election?

[mybiggreenfrog]

Yes (YABU)
No (YANBU)

I’d absolutely vote labour again, I think they’re doing far better than the tories did in the 14 years before them.

housing , nhs, driving lessons, pocket money, etc etc etc. i'm sure you know this.

My triple lock state pension rise probably won't even cover the likely rise in council tax next spring - I already pay a quarter of my income on that bill- let alone any other increases in utilities. groceries and petrol.

Did someone say we were in a communist dictatorship????

This is exactly why they are removing the triple lock. OP should have said so.

PP mentioned this before your post and I apologise if it has come up since. It is important enough to repeat.

We definitely need a serious conversation about social care, or the current lack of it.

I do respect Burnham for starting this. No other party did. How it will be funded is a complicated issue as it will be enormously expensive. Removal of the triple lock/commuting to a double lock is only one element of it but won't raise anywhere near enough money.

I don't know what the final solution should be but I will vote for anyone prepared to take the issue on - certainly not the Conservatives or Reform, who will ignore it.

Except as @MellowSubmarinepoints out there is absolutely no way that the money saved from changing the Triple Lock to just following average wage increases will ever be enough to pay for universal social care. It would require sustained tax increases as well.

Once again the Government are not being honest and relying on the fact that the majority of voters won't understand or realise this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c63reg9dnex9o?app-referrer=deep-link

The only people who get this are the ones who are here legally or have successfully claimed asylum. My MIL is an immigrant but you’d probably turn a blind eye to her getting a state pension and using the NHS because she’s white and has an American accent (despite English being her 2nd language).

We have a far bigger issue with British born people with no ambition or support falling into the trap of benefits and it becoming a way of life for them, generation after generation.

If the state pension is a benefit and can (and is) taxed, why aren't all benefits taxed? Surely any income from benefits that is above the personal allowance should be taxed at the same rates as income (20%/40%/45%)? If someone earns £30k and pays tax and NI on this, surely someone getting £30k from the benefits system (very easy in London) should also be contributing. That would put a lot of money back into funding social care, housing, it's fairer and they will be genuinely contributing to society etc.

Agree with this poster for the most part. I'm politically homeless and care more about my kids now than myself. Two things I didn't like about his speech- 1) didn't mention immigration 2) (this is quite hard to say as recently been in similar position), I don't like seeing the Prime Minister in tears on a world stage. (OK UK but broadcast available to the world ). It shows weakness. Weakness is not good in this day and age. Bet Vladimir and Donald had a laugh. Cry at home Andy, but please not as Prime Minister.

I don’t care specifically about the triple lock IF and only if the base level pension is increased to an actual liveable amount. Once it’s at that point then whatever measure to ensure that it keeps up with inflation or whatever is good for me.

I really can't understand how Labour are being blamed for the mess this country is in when they have hardly been in power? Some people seem to be forgetting this FACT.

I had to react with a clapping emoji 🤣.
I couldn't vote for Labour either, they have damaged too many small businesses. Their policies shut my SIl's restaurant and my DH's busienss. They twisted the knife that the Tories had already stuck in, so its not entirely down to them.

There is no cap on child benefit based on numbers. The cap is financial.

In what way?

My DIL is an immigrant. She’s not entitled to benefits. She’s not allowed to make any claim
on the state and that includes housing. On top of her National Insurance and tax, she also pays around a grand a year NHS surcharge. Her Visa applications as a student and spouse run into the thousands. So not sure you have the right picture.

I can’t believe anyone can have so little understanding of how devolution works. England is spending this money so Scotland gets the Barnett formula topped up respectively (for the SNP to hose up the wall with shite policies and freebies to the undeserving).

I live in Edinburgh and have an excellent Labour MP. I suggest you get more politically engaged.

It’s not meant to be a liveable anount. It’s a top up to complement the rest of your pension provision.

I wouldn’t vote for Labour anyway. They won’t tackle the fundamental issue which is people who won’t work but demand high support in form of £££ whereas decent hard working people just have to give more up.

Why do you think shedding tears over the death of a parent is ‘weakness’? I cry when I see a lovely painting-it doesn’t mean I’m ‘weak’. And am pretty sure most people would not want Putin or DT as PM of this country.

The state pension is subject to income tax but not NI. Arguably paying NI on it is circular, and burdensome for pensioners on low incomes.

However higher and additional rate taxpaying pensioners could pay NI, either at source or clawed back. DH is one and he supports this.

I have never and will never vote Labour.

Don't forget last time around they lied and took us to into an illegal war which killed hundreds of thousands of people. This time they want to force us into another war which will kill millions.

And people getting more than the personal allowance in benefits could pay NI and tax on the amount above the allowance, the same as applies to the equivalent earned income. That would go towards helping fund social care, housing, the NHS etc which are used by everyone.

If they bring back the two child benefit cap that might swing a few voters.
The triple lock proposals are just pie in the sky and I don’t trust them to have carers for free to your home without some kind of push back as it will cost more than stopping the triple lock. Care home fees will still be thousands a month ( even after taking the ‘care element cost’ away as ‘free’ ) and stay unaffordable for ever and you lose everything you have ever worked for by having to pay them if you need to go into residential care. It’s all pretty grim and most of it won’t work , or not that well anyway not without a lot of investment and time and more money.

@Pennyfan is correct, @Nayone . Only immigrants with Indefinite Leave to Remain are able to claim any significant benefits. To attain that status, they have been here for sometime, satisfying income thresholds, obeying the law and paying NHS surcharges. They have been contributors, not takers.

According to gov.uk immigrants overall contribute a net gain of over £3 billion per year to the British economy.