"How do black people feel? How do brown people feel? How do cripples feel? How do fat people feel?"

[Temptree]

As stated by Miriam Margolyes today, as she gets worse and worse...... and worse.

Link to previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5574225-omg-miriam-margolyes-andi-peters?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

It was intolerable what she said on This Morning last week.
And now what she's saying today by way of defending herself is even further intolerable.

Sometimes shock means you don’t have the right words in the moment so I think it’s unfair to criticise his response.

Where have you seen people “on The Left” defending her?

Absolutely, its like the freeze or flight response. And I think entertainment presenters are conditioned to always defuse a situation rather than confront it.

I was impressed with Andi Peters professionalism. He must have been shocked but his response was civil and classy (more than mine would have been), it made Miriam look rude and ignorant by comparison.

This is absolutely batshit.

Which bit is ‘ absolutely batshit’ ?

If course you can’t get excited about it if none of what she said applies to you!

Oh the irony! Check your own ageism and misogyny perhaps 😆🙄

I imagine it's bit where you claim there's only one genocide currently happening in the world

Are you aware that the lady in question was speaking to someone who was wearing traditional African clothing which no doubt prompted her question?

All of it. Although special mention for the mention of “sub-saharan Africa”.

And also the implication that an entire region is one country.

So we should respond to someone being offensive by being offensive ourselves.
okaaaaay 😆😆😆🙄

And?

She asked a weird question. Was answered and refused to accept the answer thus tumbling into the same weird racial othering that MM engaged in.

But thanks for proving my point about ‘some’ people’s issue being not what was said but who said it.

People can wear traditional African clothing in the UK too

I used to think she was hilarious… then I read her book. It’s basically just filth and acting like masturbating strange men in bushes as a favour is funny. Even though she was very young and is apparently a lesbian. Very strange woman.

On the plus side in her audience she also said repeatedly that Nigel Farage is not her cup of tea (well something like that using her own choice of descriptive words) asked if anyone was a Reform voter in the room, then gently encouraged anyone who disliked or disagreed with her views on reform and Farage to go home. So not all bad.

That’s a cheap way of trying to be funny though. Sniping at Farage is hardly revolutionary. Most people do it because he’s utter scum.

And let’s be honest - if that was a white woman in traditional clothing from an African country she would not have kept badgering her to know “where are you REALLY from”.

You're right, and I agree. I do have sympathy for disabled people who have spent years on the receiving end of slurs such as "cripple", however.

Especially right now when they're being subjected to increasing ableist discourse in politics and media - not limited to the current euthanasia bill and anti-disabled benefits bashing.

Unfortunately, for many disabled people what appears to others to be just words and healthy debate directly relates to the deaths of people with disabilities across the country.

Actually yes. I have no issue with insulting a nasty bigot

I don’t know how she has managed to escape my attention. I don’t think I have ever watched her in anything, never read a book of hers, never seen a full interview with her in it.

And for that, I am thankful.

She is not losing her marbles. It's all part of her revolting act. She knew she could not be crude and make sexual remarks on a daytime TV programme so decided to take the piss out of the presenters in a really offensive way, dressing it up as something humourous instead.

I am well aware of the African continent, probably far more than you and it is NIGERIA , which is a sub Saharan African country , that is suffering a genocide of its Christian population

I think most of what she says is probably made up anyway, in a lame attempt to seem interesting and edgy

I do think Miriam attempts to engage in real debate and having watch a documentary she did where she travelled across the US, I think she's genuinely interested in different points of view. I also admire her ability to be as forthright as she is, and she has spoken out against the Gazian genocide several times.

I can see why she's become an attractive figure for TV execs to bring on screen but in doing so there's an inherent condescension. They see her shocking statements and stories as funny coming from a 'fat little old woman' and invite us to laugh at her, in the way we do Catherine Tate's Nan.

What people are now seeing is that condescension can't hide the very real racism in her statements, whether that's unconscious or not, and some could argue execs have a duty of care to those of minority groups, such as Andi Peters, not to put them at risk of being on the receiving end of an -ism on air.