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"How do black people feel? How do brown people feel? How do cripples feel? How do fat people feel?"

155 replies

Temptree · Yesterday 22:34

As stated by Miriam Margolyes today, as she gets worse and worse...... and worse.

Link to previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5574225-omg-miriam-margolyes-andi-peters?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

It was intolerable what she said on This Morning last week.
And now what she's saying today by way of defending herself is even further intolerable.

OMG Miriam Margolyes Andi Peters | Mumsnet

I've got an annual leave day today and am spending the morning shamelessly on the sofa watching daytime TV with cups of tea and biscuits after an exha...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5574225-omg-miriam-margolyes-andi-peters

OP posts:
FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 11:01

Nomura · Today 00:38

Oh, you must have missed the glorious MN classics, the ones where posters confidently quoted ‘scientific research’ about black women’s bodies, explaining our buttocks as some kind of evolutionary adaptation for sexual use. Black women reading in real time as we were dissected like lab specimens. That’s exactly what MM reminds me of: wide‑eyed, fake innocent bewilderment when people don’t indulge their racial curiosity (Andy was extremely professional as well as gracious to her).They genuinely can’t imagine how grotesque it would sound if they were being examined in the same way.”

WTF???? I'm so sorry you were subjected to that, that's atrocious.

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:03

RhannionKPSS · Today 10:55

I am well aware of the African continent, probably far more than you and it is NIGERIA , which is a sub Saharan African country , that is suffering a genocide of its Christian population

There are 3 genocides which spring to mind and which are happening right now, but given that a year ago there were up to 20 genocides being reported, I imagine I'm missing quite a few.

Muffsies · Today 11:08

UnctuousUnicorns · Yesterday 22:48

Cripple here. 👋 🧑‍🦽 More context needed, OP. Though it makes me wonder how a fat Jewess might feel. 🤔

As my crippled friend often says, "fuck the disabled.. please.. ?"

No one ever asks how the gingers feel.

Happysnappydays · Today 11:14

JHound · Today 10:53

I don’t know how she has managed to escape my attention. I don’t think I have ever watched her in anything, never read a book of hers, never seen a full interview with her in it.

And for that, I am thankful.

She's been in a Harry Potter movie, James and the Giant Peach, Babe, Blackadder. Loads of things.

Anarchy99 · Today 11:17

Muffsies · Today 11:08

As my crippled friend often says, "fuck the disabled.. please.. ?"

No one ever asks how the gingers feel.

True that. My best friend is ginger.

Everyone loves ginger cats though 🐈

FallenNight · Today 11:20

Happysnappydays · Today 11:14

She's been in a Harry Potter movie, James and the Giant Peach, Babe, Blackadder. Loads of things.

Lots of Stage productions as well I believe.

In actual fact she is an accomplished actress.

She seems to be actively destroying her own reputation and will be remembered for her vulgar chat show outbursts rather than the huge catalogue of work covering 60 odd years.

Happysnappydays · Today 11:22

I know it's very strange. Why the need to be on so many shows? (As herself, not acting).

UnctuousUnicorns · Today 11:23

Muffsies · Today 11:08

As my crippled friend often says, "fuck the disabled.. please.. ?"

No one ever asks how the gingers feel.

I'll ask my red haired 17 year old DD, shall I? 🙂

Just don't anyone try to call me "differently abled". Then I will tell them to take their patronising, minimising bullshit and stick it where the sun don't shine. 💩

JHound · Today 11:35

RhannionKPSS · Today 10:55

I am well aware of the African continent, probably far more than you and it is NIGERIA , which is a sub Saharan African country , that is suffering a genocide of its Christian population

So why not just say “Nigeria”?

Although that still does not change that your entire post was batshit and inaccurate. Off topic too.

JeanSimmons · Today 11:35

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 23:50

I have huge respect for her speaking up about the genocide and have seen people saying it was a great show tonight…no mention of any offence caused.

What genocide?

JHound · Today 11:37

Happysnappydays · Today 11:14

She's been in a Harry Potter movie, James and the Giant Peach, Babe, Blackadder. Loads of things.

I have only seen the first Harry Potter movie and cannot recall if she was in it. Never seen the other things you mentioned.

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:39

JeanSimmons · Today 11:35

What genocide?

The Gazan genocide.

JeanSimmons · Today 11:39

AssassinsEyebrow · Today 11:39

The Gazan genocide.

Ok.

lincolnsosig · Today 11:42

Anarchy99 · Today 00:05

She thinks that if she uses the word cunt enough on the telly, people will think she’s wonderfully eccentric.

I was really quite shocked about the Andy Peters thing. To say what she said and then to double down should result in her being completely cancelled.

Vile woman.

It’s worked so far, she has a huge amount of fans who absolutely love her and will hear no wrong. Simply because she says ‘cunt’ as if it makes her special, rather than vulgar. Very strange people.

PrettyLittleRose · Today 11:43

HotGrapefruit · Today 09:13

People only care because she’s “left” so she’s not supposed to say these things. Loads of older disabled people refer to themselves as cripples, so it’s no surprise she does as well.

Roy Chubby Brown usually fills seaside theatres - yes he is far, far worse and people pay to spend the evening hearing it. Jim Davidson is similar and plays to a similar crowd. But yes they are “on the right” so that’s just expected - right?

Never in my entire life, have I heard someone who is disabled/has a disability call themselves a cripple .. Indeed every person with a disability I know actively HATES this word.

Just because YOU use it even though you are disabled, that does not give you the right to use it carte blanche. It offends a LOT of people.

My friend was diagnosed with a debilitating chronic illness 2 years ago, and a few months after she was diagnosed - when she was coming into the house from the outside struggling a bit with the 3 steps up to the back door, her husband said 'come on you old cripple.' She was like Shock then she burst into tears. He was mortified that he'd upset her, but he shouldn't have been surprised. it was a vile thing to say. He has never said it since.

And no, NO-ONE is ok if Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson says it too. You have outed yourself on the kind of people you are a fan of though. Go figure!

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HollyhocksandPeons · Today 11:47

UnctuousUnicorns · Yesterday 22:48

Cripple here. 👋 🧑‍🦽 More context needed, OP. Though it makes me wonder how a fat Jewess might feel. 🤔

How is it offensive? She herself says she is fat and she is a Jewess. How is this offensive?

PrettyLittleRose · Today 11:49

Happysnappydays · Today 11:14

She's been in a Harry Potter movie, James and the Giant Peach, Babe, Blackadder. Loads of things.

Romeo & Juliet too - with Leo.

Not seen her in anything decent or credible for about 15-20 years though. Just on chat shows and the like, saying 'cunt' a lot, trying to be really radical, and presenting as quirky and eccentric. All she is a tedious obnoxious, rude woman who has no place on any screens anymore.

supersop60 · Today 11:50

UnctuousUnicorns · Yesterday 22:48

Cripple here. 👋 🧑‍🦽 More context needed, OP. Though it makes me wonder how a fat Jewess might feel. 🤔

Fat, invalid, lesbian Jewess.

Her filter has broken due to lack of use.

HotGrapefruit · Today 11:51

PrettyLittleRose · Today 11:43

Never in my entire life, have I heard someone who is disabled/has a disability call themselves a cripple .. Indeed every person with a disability I know actively HATES this word.

Just because YOU use it even though you are disabled, that does not give you the right to use it carte blanche. It offends a LOT of people.

My friend was diagnosed with a debilitating chronic illness 2 years ago, and a few months after she was diagnosed - when she was coming into the house from the outside struggling a bit with the 3 steps up to the back door, her husband said 'come on you old cripple.' She was like Shock then she burst into tears. He was mortified that he'd upset her, but he shouldn't have been surprised. it was a vile thing to say. He has never said it since.

And no, NO-ONE is ok if Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson says it too. You have outed yourself on the kind of people you are a fan of though. Go figure!

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Edited

I've heard a LOT of people who are disabled refer to themselves as cripples or their walking sticks as their 'crip sticks'. But you probably haven't, if you are not disabled yourself.

> And no, NO-ONE is ok if Chubby Brown or Jim Davidson says it too.

Well, they play to sold-out venues every summer, so apparently lots of people are very okay with it, and a lot, lot worse. This is a perfect summary: https://www.vice.com/da/article/roy-chubby-brown-gig-133/

I Was the Only Brown Person at Racist Roy 'Chubby' Brown's Gig

I wanted to see whether there was more to the UK's most controversial comedian than an old racist man making old racist jokes.

https://www.vice.com/da/article/roy-chubby-brown-gig-133/

HotGrapefruit · Today 11:53

Here you go @PrettyLittleRose : Even Wikipedia covers the rise of 'crip theory' and disabled people reclaiming the word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crip_(disability_term)

PansyZer · Today 11:56

I must say it's quite rewarding to see her getting her just desserts finally, publicly. Instead of being able to continue trading on the old, tired 'I'm an old woman so when I swear and say shocking things people must love me for it!'. I'm glad her racism is showing while she's still around to experience the backlash.

CarbootJunction · Today 11:57

Why is anyone giving that woman a moment's thought?

She's promoting her book, that's all with possibly a bit of dementia thrown in for good measure.

PrettyLittleRose · Today 11:57

Nope. Not buying it. No-one I know thinks that word (cripple) is OK when describing someone who is disabled. Keep rooting for tenuous links to 'prove your point' though @HotGrapefruit (Thinking you have won the argument with a Wikipedia link! LMFAO! 😂)

I also stand by what I say, you don't get to tell other people they are not allowed to be offended by it. I think it's a horrible word to call someone who is disabled. You don't get to tell me I am wrong.

Not shocked to hear you are a fangirl of Jim Davidson and Chubby Brown though.

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PrettyLittleRose · Today 11:57

PansyZer · Today 11:56

I must say it's quite rewarding to see her getting her just desserts finally, publicly. Instead of being able to continue trading on the old, tired 'I'm an old woman so when I swear and say shocking things people must love me for it!'. I'm glad her racism is showing while she's still around to experience the backlash.

I do wonder if Miriam is on this thread actually. Wink

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · Today 11:58

Stop giving this twat the attention she craves.