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"How do black people feel? How do brown people feel? How do cripples feel? How do fat people feel?"

155 replies

Temptree · Yesterday 22:34

As stated by Miriam Margolyes today, as she gets worse and worse...... and worse.

Link to previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5574225-omg-miriam-margolyes-andi-peters?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

It was intolerable what she said on This Morning last week.
And now what she's saying today by way of defending herself is even further intolerable.

OMG Miriam Margolyes Andi Peters | Mumsnet

I've got an annual leave day today and am spending the morning shamelessly on the sofa watching daytime TV with cups of tea and biscuits after an exha...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5574225-omg-miriam-margolyes-andi-peters

OP posts:
Gloriia · Today 08:23

'I can't get excited about what she said tbh, in the grand scheme of things there's much worse going on.'

Of course there's worse stuff going on but it's the whole snap shot. She represents many celebs who desperately virtue signal then seem to have no idea they are also a massive problem with the langauge that they use and the beliefs that they spout.

Cherrytree86 · Today 08:31

She is thick as fuck.

hattie43 · Today 08:34

Cherrytree86 · Today 08:31

She is thick as fuck.

She’s not thick she’s just horrible and knows exactly what she’s doing .

DierdreDaphne · Today 08:36

Stormwhale · Today 05:49

I totally understand that this is totally innapropriate in person, but on a message board where people come to debate ideas, learn new view points, discuss current research and understanding of various topics… is it not possible to have an educational conversation about these things or does it need to be avoided totally? I feel it should not be taboo, but definitely handled respectfully, which it doesn’t seem to have been previously.

Seriously?? I think not!

Bloody hell.

Lomonald · Today 08:39

CarbonArtist · Today 07:14

Miriam’s comments to Andi Peters were tasteless and unnecessary, but I suspect the reason she is being targeted with such ire is because she spoke up about the genocide.

She is being targeted because she is a racist and bigot who thinks it is her right to insult people she is being interviewed by!

UnwillingAdvocate · Today 08:42

She’s 85 years old. How many of your 85 year old parents aren’t stuck in their ways and living in a different reality? She’s from an entirety different world altogether. It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it palatable. But it does explain why she doesn’t understand the modern world.

DierdreDaphne · Today 08:43

CarbonArtist · Today 07:14

Miriam’s comments to Andi Peters were tasteless and unnecessary, but I suspect the reason she is being targeted with such ire is because she spoke up about the genocide.

I don't think that's it at all. There is no context in which what she said was OK. As with posters on the other thread, I broadly agree with her on Israel/Gaza, but find her genrally annoying and in this particular instance, shockingly awful.

Lentilcakes · Today 08:46

She actually said ‘cripple’?

Livelovebehappy · Today 08:46

Interesting to see how some on the left are defending her though. Must be difficult for them to process this when she has also been an advocate for a lot of left leaning ideologies. She probably just doesn’t care, like a lot of elderly people, who develop a ‘no filter’ mindset where anything that was previously hidden in their head just comes out.

Gloriia · Today 08:47

UnwillingAdvocate · Today 08:42

She’s 85 years old. How many of your 85 year old parents aren’t stuck in their ways and living in a different reality? She’s from an entirety different world altogether. It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it palatable. But it does explain why she doesn’t understand the modern world.

She's a celeb not some isolated person living in the sticks unaware of what is pc.
She gets away with it because of her fake eccentric 'whoopsie have I been naughty' image.
She needs cancelling from chat shows. All the Graham Norton types enabling and seal clapping are complicit.

StandFirm · Today 08:50

Nomura · Today 00:38

Oh, you must have missed the glorious MN classics, the ones where posters confidently quoted ‘scientific research’ about black women’s bodies, explaining our buttocks as some kind of evolutionary adaptation for sexual use. Black women reading in real time as we were dissected like lab specimens. That’s exactly what MM reminds me of: wide‑eyed, fake innocent bewilderment when people don’t indulge their racial curiosity (Andy was extremely professional as well as gracious to her).They genuinely can’t imagine how grotesque it would sound if they were being examined in the same way.”

Oh I know there are raging racists out here on MN but I'm very disappointed to hear such a disgraceful thread would be allowed to stand... Mind you I had a surreal exchange with what sounded like a proponent of the Nuremberg laws yesterday and their comments were absolutely allowed to stand.

Hummusfiend · Today 08:50

Livelovebehappy · Today 08:46

Interesting to see how some on the left are defending her though. Must be difficult for them to process this when she has also been an advocate for a lot of left leaning ideologies. She probably just doesn’t care, like a lot of elderly people, who develop a ‘no filter’ mindset where anything that was previously hidden in their head just comes out.

Who on the left are defending her? Not being goady - just haven't seen any defence?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 08:50

malificent7 · Today 07:12

Racism is trendy nowadays what with all the flag shaggers and concerned young. (white Christian) men who are desperate to protect us from nasty brown rapists so I doubt she will be stopped.
Likewise it is acceptable to bash fat people and those with disabilities...people are emboldened.

Why are you mentioning those men? This is about MM being racist, not anyone else. I know also if this had been anyone on the right saying what she did, the threads would be flooded with the usual rhetoric you started out with. Hypocrites.

DierdreDaphne · Today 08:53

Gloriia · Today 08:47

She's a celeb not some isolated person living in the sticks unaware of what is pc.
She gets away with it because of her fake eccentric 'whoopsie have I been naughty' image.
She needs cancelling from chat shows. All the Graham Norton types enabling and seal clapping are complicit.

She's also considered very 'woke' and I think probably thinks of herself that way too. It's not as though she has been closeted away taking notes at the parish council and bookkeeping for the local builders merchants all her life.

GentlemanJay · Today 08:53

I went to an “audience” with her once. Not my pick. We were both glad when it had finished. Even the person that thought it was a good idea and booked the tickets. lol.

senua · Today 08:53

She is a product of the media age where "there is no such thing as bad publicity". She has a book to sell, Morning TV has hours of air-time to fill, social media needs people to froth, etc, etc.
We should know better and treat slebs the same way we treat children: do not encourage bad behaviour by rewarding it with attention.

I am well aware that I have added to the froth!Blush Grin

Lomonald · Today 08:53

CinnamonJellyBeans · Today 07:39

A woman as old as her, who has written a book, has enough life experience and intelligence to know that the way she referred to the colour of Andy Peter's skin was grossly and wilfully offensive. The accent was also grossly offensive.

If I said that to someone, I'd rightly lose my job. There's no way you can explain away calling someone that unrepeatable term.

I don't think Andy Peters dealt with it well at all. If it is safe to do so, you should call out racism every time, terminate the conversation, or refuse to further engage with the person. He did none of those. It may well have been a surprise for him to have experienced overt racism on his own talk show, but as a seasoned presenter, he should have managed that better.

He was at work on live television, i don't understand what else you thought he could do, they did swiftly move it on, but i don't think it was up to him to do a to and fro about racism, she also doesn't care because as she said at her book thing. She wants to know how black/brown /cripples. Think about being black/brown/crippled

Miriam Margolyes thinks she has a right to say what she wants to who she wants.

TheKeatingFive · Today 08:53

She’s an awful person, I’m not sure why anyone gives her the time of day

Holidaymodeon · Today 08:55

Nomura · Today 00:38

Oh, you must have missed the glorious MN classics, the ones where posters confidently quoted ‘scientific research’ about black women’s bodies, explaining our buttocks as some kind of evolutionary adaptation for sexual use. Black women reading in real time as we were dissected like lab specimens. That’s exactly what MM reminds me of: wide‑eyed, fake innocent bewilderment when people don’t indulge their racial curiosity (Andy was extremely professional as well as gracious to her).They genuinely can’t imagine how grotesque it would sound if they were being examined in the same way.”

That’s absolutely hideous, why are we still on here 😭🤦🏽‍♀️🤯 there are times when I’m horrified by some of the women on here

StandFirm · Today 08:56

Summer26woohoo · Today 08:13

She's losing her marbles is my considered opinion.

Yes there are plenty of fully with it people in their 80's but there are plenty who aren't. She's losing what little filter she had, which I suspect is age related.

I can't get excited about what she said tbh, in the grand scheme of things there's much worse going on.

Problem is, she's given airtime to share her stupid 'views' with the wider public. If she was making those statements in the privacy of her nursing home there wouldn't be a problem.

Holidaymodeon · Today 08:59

Hummusfiend · Today 08:50

Who on the left are defending her? Not being goady - just haven't seen any defence?

I’m hugely left leaning and I can’t find any defence for that horror show.
i also don’t think I’m the ‘right’ sort of left for labour anymore

HotGrapefruit · Today 09:03

She’s built her whole career on this schtick so none of it is a surprise. There are worse acts filing the summer season theatre in Torquay so I find it hard to get riled up about it. People will keep interviewing her because people want to watch it - look at the posts here asking for links etc. Of course it’s vile but it sells papers.

I don’t take offence at the cripple word - my siblings and I use sticks for our mobility and referrals to ourselves an old cripples. MM does the same.

Hummusfiend · Today 09:04

StandFirm · Today 08:56

Problem is, she's given airtime to share her stupid 'views' with the wider public. If she was making those statements in the privacy of her nursing home there wouldn't be a problem.

Why wouldn't there be a problem? What idf she were saying that to Black and brown healthcare workers, imitating the accents of NI staff? Her saying it in public emboldens people to say it in every day life and think it's acceptable/amusing/charming/funny whatever the hell she thinks she is doing.

TheFairyCaravan · Today 09:06

Lentilcakes · Today 08:46

She actually said ‘cripple’?

She’s been using it for years. I tweeted about her saying it on This Morning four years ago. She literally doesn’t care. Some people find that endearing about her. I do not.

Gloriia · Today 09:09

HotGrapefruit · Today 09:03

She’s built her whole career on this schtick so none of it is a surprise. There are worse acts filing the summer season theatre in Torquay so I find it hard to get riled up about it. People will keep interviewing her because people want to watch it - look at the posts here asking for links etc. Of course it’s vile but it sells papers.

I don’t take offence at the cripple word - my siblings and I use sticks for our mobility and referrals to ourselves an old cripples. MM does the same.

Oh please. Just because you refer to yourself as a cripple does not mean it's ok to use the term publicly.

'There are worse acts filing the summer season theatre in Torquay so I find it hard to get riled'

Really, there are acts in Torquay worse than talking about 'blacks, fats and cripples'?

She rightly needs calling out on her crap. Let's hope it's the last we see of her on chat shows!