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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

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H00vervlawnmower · Today 12:23

44k at age 18 is a huge amount of money
I believe that some should be invested for his future now.
He can put up to £20k per tax year into an ISA

Will your DH be paying your DSon £10.85 National Minimum wage per hour ?

Has DS thought about going into RAF or similar for Engineering ?

Friendlygingercat · Today 12:23

Some kids don't think its cool to appear academic or a swot in school in case they get bullied and picked on. So they mess about in class to keep up the appearance of being one of the crowd. All the time they may be secretly revising and working hard at home where their cool mates cannot see them. Then they get good A level results. By then they no longer care what their so called mates think as they are off to uni. Unfortunately it can misfire - as it has in your sons case - as their predicted grades were too low for their preferred unis. In this case a gap year - spent wisely - is a good idea. They can reapply next year with their actual grades and work experience.

AprilMizzel · Today 12:24

Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him

I wouldn't have tolerate that from DS or DH - words would have been had there and then.

It always pays to be polite to people - even ones who do not expect to need going forward - rudeness is often remembered.

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Today 12:24

@Lmnop22 I don’t know why you’re so fixated on this aspect when you have a son who got such amazing results!

Because they aren’t amazing results. They’d be great results for someone wanting to attend a standard uni but, for where he wants to go, they’re pretty average results that he’s had to work quite hard to get. He’s going to have to demonstrate that there’s a bit more to him, so he stands out from the kid next to him who also has those results. And manipulation of his teachers, a shockingly bad attitude, a job that daddy gave him and a belief that he’s too good to work in a supermarket is not going to help him with that. Yes, he’ll stand out, but not for any positive reasons.

topcat2014 · Today 12:25

Nothing wrong with doing a "proper" job instead of retail. But I agree about excessive gifts so young

DrWatsonsWalklingStick · Today 12:25

If Cambridge ask for a school report, he doesn't stand a chance of getting in.
Working for his dad's company will do him good if the boss is as strict (or stricter) than with other employees. No turning up too hungover to work or being late, for example. A friend's dad ended up sacking him, best thing that ever happened to him! It's the turning up on time and doing the work that matters.
I'm assuming the grandparents built their wealth so it's likely the family will go from rags to rags in three generations, but that's normal.

jonesonscam · Today 12:26

NavyRobin · Today 11:48

I am not too sure about Cambridge either but he has overachieved and met the entry requirements so his application will be looked at. We will have to see, its not set in stone, he has other universities in mind too but its worth a try.

I am not happy with his behaviour and I am trying my best to tackle it but it doesn't help when his grandparents spoil him and their other grandchildren.

You’re his mum though? Your job is to put your foot down. With DS, grandparents and also your DH when he’s acting as unreasonably as he has.

It’s too late now. You’re in damage control mode. If you can ring fence as much of the remaining money as possible you would help DS, though if his grandparents can just casually gift him an extra £10k I suspect he can and will just hit them up for things like house deposits. You can’t stop him from working for your DH either - too late for that too.

You have to hope that when he eventually does get to uni, and this will be especially true if he does end up getting into Cambridge, he will be humbled by the experience of not being the only person who can seemingly succeed without trying. And he will be challenged in a way that might surprise him.

Calasa · Today 12:26

I think there is a danger of thinking that just because he has good A level results he is guaranteed a bright future. That is very much not the case. I speak as someone with a child who has three A stars and an A plus a further A in EPQ and has just graduated with a First. The jobs market is extremely tough. It's just a completely different world to twenty or even ten years ago. I know two recent Oxbridge graduates who don't yet have jobs, a Warwick economics graduate who is struggling to find anything even vaguely related to the field and a Durham graduate with a First who is now working in a very junior level role with limited prospects just to get some money coming in.

user1464187087 · Today 12:28

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Today 12:07

I think your son is an idiot. I think your husband is an idiot. I think that if there ever comes a time when your DS is unable to rely on the safety net of his father and his grandparents, he’s going to be utterly fucked because he does not have the skills to cope with the lows that life throws at almost everyone.

Did he not think for a second that a uni would compare his predicted grades to his actual grades and think that his actual grades may have been a fluke? Or even if he confessed to them what he’d done, they could think that he was an immature twat and not a reliable student? Someone who could drag down their averages simply because he took umbrage at a lecturer? The arrogance he’s shown here is pretty worrying.

Uni, and saving during a gap year, can often be the first chance a teen gets to learn how to economise, and the value of a pound. His grandparents have just ensured he won’t learn this lesson. Instead, they’ve gifted him a house deposit or freedom from repaying tuition fees for years on end and he’s just thrown that chance away because he believes that there will always be more money coming. What will he do when they’ve passed away, the inheritance has dried up and his job has been replaced by AI? (Or, more likely, he’s been sacked because he’s a bit of a twat?).

I can see how working in his chosen field would be better for him than working in a supermarket. But will he be learning the business from the bottom, or will he be going in as the bosses son and expecting the privileges that come with that? If that’s the case, then you’re harming him more than helping him. Your DH has taught him that he’s ‘better’ than working in a supermarket? No he’s not! What has he achieved for himself other than some good exam results? It’s not like he’s got a gap year job in his chosen field on his own merits. He’s not driving around in a flash car because he’s earned it. It’s all been handed to him on a plate. He’s not better than anyone.

God help his future spouse because she’s in for a time of it if hard times hit.

I wondered exactly the same thing about the uni looking at his predicted grades and then coming to the conclusion that he was just lucky on exam day. I never went to uni and don't know much about it, but surely there is a chance this could backfire? Also if the school have to give him some sort of character reference, that may not be great.
Maybe he isn't concerned about any of that though. Why would he be?

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slugjelly · Today 12:28

Wow, it sounds like terrible parenting from your DH. His comments are dreadful and he should be guiding his parents into supportive ways to give money. You need your DH to change perspective and help you— or you need to realise he’s teaching your son to be rude and spoilt like him.

Ikeepforgettingmykeys · Today 12:28

Immature, condescending and entitled behaviour. Both DH and DS.

I'd run a mile.

NavyRobin · Today 12:29

minipie · Today 11:28

The engineering work experience is a good idea. As long as his dad actually makes him work and he doesn’t take the piss eg rocking up late knowing it’s his dad’s company.

The money is a problem and is adding to his very apparent sense of entitlement.

The attitude at school is a BIG problem and may still affect his applications even now he has left. Universities look at school references (which are confidential so can be quite blunt) as well as results. If his references say something like “he may have got good results in the end but he was a rude and lazy sod all through 6th form and we had to have meetings with his parents about his attitude” then the uni may well think twice - no matter what his results.

We will just have to wait and see, his school has said they will support him with the Cambridge application and believe that he should apply and they have offered to have a look at his application before he sends it off albeit he will not be a student there anymore. I doubt they will give him an awful reference. I do not think the references are based on meetings with parents based on what we have seen but I could be wrong. My guess is that they will keep it blunt, maybe Cambridge will not take him but the other Unis don't even require interview and we have been in touch with Uni of Bath where engineering is one of the most competitive and they have said he will likely get an unconditional offer as he is applying with achieved grades to begin with and the achieved grades are above the requirements for engineering.

His dad will make him work, he wants to learn anyway he isn't one to just sit there and do nothing. He took it too personally when the teachers did not want to predict him the A stars albeit he knew he could achieve those grades. I think he was just upset because a few of his friends managed to convince teachers, it did mess his UCAS application up but that is part of life that he will need to learn. I am happy that he did well and I hope we can change his attitude. This is new behaviour, he was never like this. It all started with the predicted grades.

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ridingfreely · Today 12:29

Sorry but he sounds like a real brat. I wouldn’t be against the work as it’s relevant to his future course and interest

BUT digging that deep to prove a point - that’s a really unattractive personality trait - is he going to behave that way with a future girlfriend or wife when he has a point he wants to prove? The thought is quite unnerving.

id be really unhappy about that much money being gifted in available funds. I think a conversation should have been had there; he’s learning nothing having so much at his disposal

comeoncolleen · Today 12:30

Your parents have given their young adult son some money. You can't interfere, he's grown up now. But I agree it wasn't a great idea to hand over the money just at the moment..
Hope he does well in future.

Fridgemanageress · Today 12:31

He sounds abit pyschotic

tonightiamallyoursboy · Today 12:31

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 12:08

You think it's good to fuck with teachers? Why? For doing their jobs?

Rebel without a cause springs to mind. Being rude to people who are just trying to do their jobs and get the best out of their students. And who can recognise someone taking the piss.

For being predicted a lower grade than he was capable of!

I had a terrible time at school because of teachers, which influences my view.

Doublebubblegum · Today 12:31

Op - you said "I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy". Let's face it - his life probably is always going to be this easy. He's clearly very privileged and will go on to have success.

I think your DH is the problem here, I can't believe he was encouraging such awful behaviour. Giving a teacher the finger is really awful!

randomnamegenerated · Today 12:31

I'm a bit surprised his school is willing to support his Cambridge application, given his behaviour, as the reference is both academic and personal and they're usually keen to safeguard their relationships with Oxbridge.

Since he did 4 A-levels, even after poor predictions, I'm assuming he did maths and further? If so, there are quite a lot of kids who will have had the same results, so while he's obviously a good candidate, he's up against lots of other equally good candidates.

AprilMizzel · Today 12:32

Calasa · Today 12:26

I think there is a danger of thinking that just because he has good A level results he is guaranteed a bright future. That is very much not the case. I speak as someone with a child who has three A stars and an A plus a further A in EPQ and has just graduated with a First. The jobs market is extremely tough. It's just a completely different world to twenty or even ten years ago. I know two recent Oxbridge graduates who don't yet have jobs, a Warwick economics graduate who is struggling to find anything even vaguely related to the field and a Durham graduate with a First who is now working in a very junior level role with limited prospects just to get some money coming in.

He's wanting to do engineering and has a dad with a firm in that area.

He's already going to be spending some of this year at an engineering firm. Dad probably had contacts he could also use to get work experinced or jobs later.

He has extremly good A-level results, a family with money and a dad with a company and contacts in his prefered area.

Yes he could still fuck it all up - which OP clearly worried about - but I don't think he's going to be struggling like many graduates. (With a family with no contacts in kids prefered areas it does get my angry but the world does seem to be going this way again).

GrumpyButOk · Today 12:32

Blackbird2020 · Today 11:21

I would be ashamed of my son if he spent a full year deceiving and creating more work for teachers who only wanted the best for their students, in order to get one up on them because they didn’t give HIM what he originally wanted. And sticking his middle finger up at the head of year? Just gross. Your husband sounds like he’s even worse, given he’s actively encouraging it. Urgh.

Exactly. He has made the teachers' jobs harder and put his parents through worry for no reason other than his own amusement, and he has sustained it for a long time. At the very least I'd be expecting an apology from him for that and an apology to the head of year for his disgusting behaviour. Given that your husband and PILs have decided to reward him instead, he is obviously a chip off their particular block, and I wonder how he will behave in a long term relationship when it doesn't all go his way. If I had daughters that age I wouldn't want them anywhere near him. Sorry OP, you seem to have decent values, but your DH and his family are the ones influencing your DS.

SlugJam · Today 12:32

He does sound like a bit of an arsehole to be fair. Is that just his personality? If so, there’s not going to be much you can do about it.

viques · Today 12:33

I think working for his dad is a good idea. He will be working with people who know more about the job than he does, and who while knowing he is the bosses child will be unlikely to put up with any shit from him and will make it clear that he needs to earn their respect in the workplace. He will find it an uncomfortable place to be if he disrespects long term and experienced people.

He sounds very immature, a gap year will hopefully give him some time to realise what a prat he is. You can help by not accepting his attitude at home, make sure he helps out around the house and garden, uses the dishwasher and empties it, does his own washing, keeps his room reasonable etc.

As for having all that money in the bank then let him fritter it away and spend it. He has a lifetime to regret doing so and at least he bought a car nor a motor bike.

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 12:33

tonightiamallyoursboy · Today 12:31

For being predicted a lower grade than he was capable of!

I had a terrible time at school because of teachers, which influences my view.

They can only predict a grade they have seen evidence of a child being able to achieve.

Disgraceful behaviour on the part of the son.

NavyRobin · Today 12:33

Calasa · Today 12:26

I think there is a danger of thinking that just because he has good A level results he is guaranteed a bright future. That is very much not the case. I speak as someone with a child who has three A stars and an A plus a further A in EPQ and has just graduated with a First. The jobs market is extremely tough. It's just a completely different world to twenty or even ten years ago. I know two recent Oxbridge graduates who don't yet have jobs, a Warwick economics graduate who is struggling to find anything even vaguely related to the field and a Durham graduate with a First who is now working in a very junior level role with limited prospects just to get some money coming in.

No one is saying he will have a bright future but the grades will open doors at least for university and it is up to him. His cousin struggled in first year of A Levels and was predicted Bs and Cs and school refused to just predict him As for the sake of it (understably) so he decided to not apply to uni and take a gap year. On results day he achieved 3 A stars and applied to Oxford and got in despite his year 12 mocks and tests being Bs and Cs and graduated at Oxford with a first this year, started his graduate job in the civil service fast stream so it seemed to work out for him and push him.

People change between 17 - 21. I want to give him grace because this was not his typical behaviour, he is a bright kid with lots of potential and we have told him the attitude will not get him far if he continues.

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