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AIBU to worry our son is being overindulged after his A-level results?

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NavyRobin · Today 10:43

Our DS got his A-level results back in August and got 3 A stars and an A. We were absolutely thrilled for him. He was originally predicted ABBB, so these results were a huge shock to everyone, including his teachers. Our son told us on results day because of his teachers not predicting him high grades for his UCAS application, he decided to do badly on purpose on all the tests, mocks etc. At this point I am just lost as to why he needed to act that way as we were getting emails at home telling us that he isn't doing anything in lessons etc when at home he was revising and sticking to a routine. I think I have raised somewhat of an insane child. WHO DOES THAT?!

He wasn't exactly a model student at school. He was bright but messed around quite a lot and didn't always put the effort in we now learn that this is on purpose at A Levels, GCSE he was fine but he liked his teachers at GCSE. We did speak to the school several times about his predicted grades because we felt they were quite low but they wouldn't budge, which I do understand to an extent.

The problem is that his predicted grades limited his university choices. He applied to five universities, including some very competitive ones, but was rejected from three.Then results day came around and he achieved 3 A stars and an A.He's now decided to take a gap year and reapply for Engineering, with Cambridge and Bath being two of the universities he's interested in.
We're supportive of the gap year. We actually think it could be a good opportunity for him, particularly as he now has achieved grades rather than predicted grades. We have spoken to Bath admissions and, because he previously applied, they already have his application and results. They've said his achieved grades would make his application very competitive, although obviously nothing is guaranteed and the rest of the application and selection process still matters. Cambridge will obviously be much more difficult and we're under no illusion that he'll necessarily get in.

My issue is what he's actually planning to do during this gap year, it is his attitude.He worked at Waitrose for about a year, in the deli, and left recently. I thought this would be a good opportunity for him to get another job, even if just part-time, earn some money and gain some independence.
However, DH has actually told him that he "doesn't want to do such jobs" and that he's "better than that".DH owns an engineering company (a different area of engineering to what DS wants to go into) and has offered him work there instead.So DS can work for his dad, potentially doing something engineering-related, while living at home and with very little financial pressure.
And then there's the money.

DS turned 18 this summer and DH's parents gave him £34k as an 18th birthday present. I wasn't particularly comfortable with such a large amount being given to an 18-year-old, but obviously it's their money and their decision. I do understand that they are very proud of him and wanted to give him something special.But since then, he's been spending it fairly freely. He recently spent £13k on a car when the Polo he already had was perfectly fine. He's also been buying lots of things he's always wanted.

And now, because they're so proud of his A-level results, DH's parents have gifted him another £10k. They have always been quite generous with our children all throughout. Our children's JISA's are pretty much just for their grandparents to put money in for them. So he's received £44k from his grandparents in a matter of months, at 18.I genuinely don't understand it.
I know people will say "it's their money" and yes, I completely accept that. They can do whatever they want with it, and I know it's coming from a place of love and pride. But I can't help thinking that £10k could have gone straight into his savings account instead of being handed to an 18 year old
What is the point of giving an 18 year old that amount of money? Surely part of the point of helping your children financially is to give them a secure start in life, not necessarily to give them a huge amount of spending money at 18?
DH thinks I'm being ridiculous. He says DS has worked incredibly hard, got exceptional results and deserves to enjoy the money. He also thinks working for his company will give him much better experience than working in a supermarket and could potentially help with his future university application.
And I agree with some of that.I am incredibly proud of DS. I'm not trying to take anything away from his results, and I'm not against helping him financially. If anything, I think we've been very fortunate that he has grandparents who are in a position to give him this sort of support.But I worry about the overall message.
He doesn't need to get a job because Dad will give him one.
He doesn't need to worry about money because grandparents have given him £44k in 2 months.He doesn't need to keep his old car because he can spend £13k on another one.And DH is actively telling him that certain jobs are beneath him.I can't help feeling that we're setting him up to believe that life will always be this easy.

He's 18. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect him to have some structure, earn some of his own money and learn to manage what he has?
Or am I being completely unreasonable and should I just leave him alone?
He got fantastic results, he's got a potentially very exciting future ahead of him and the money is technically his. Maybe I'm just being an old-fashioned mum who thinks an 18 year old should have to work for things rather than have everything handed to him.

AIBU?

OP posts:
ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 11:37

Lmnop22 · Today 11:36

Why does that matter though in the end? Yes it’s weird behaviour but he sat the tests and got the results and it sounds like he only started doing this AFTER he was predicted whatever grades so it wouldn’t have made a difference to his UCAS applications. I don’t know why you’re so fixated on this aspect when you have a son who got such amazing results!

And he is getting a job, fine it’s with his dad but it’s so so difficult to get jobs without experience that using who you know for a leg up is incredibly common. He will be working for a living, earning his own money and having responsibilities in gainful employment whilst gaining valuable experience and having loads to bolster next years uni applications - why do you want him to potentially do a worse and unrelated job just to teach him a lesson?

Giving £44k to an 18 year old is batshit. Buy him a car, pay his tuition, pay his rent at uni or whatever with that money but to give it directly to an 18 year old to squander seems incredibly irresponsible and will likely leave him worse off later when he would have appreciated such a healthy financial gift because he’s buying his first home or paying off loads of student debt or getting married and he regrets the financial immaturity of his former self. I would encourage him to set some aside himself and leave it alone to accrue a bit of interest and be helpful in the future.

Because he's put his parents through shit and now appears to be an arrogant twat. If I were OP I'd be reeling from that too.

Goldensprat · Today 11:38

But if I'm understanding it correctly, his teachers predicted him grades that were below what he was actually capable of, which seriously affected his future prospects as he was then rejected by three of his choices on the basis of those wrong predictions? I can understand being incredibly pissed off at that to be honest and I think it's to your son's credit that it put that fire in his belly to prove them wrong. Not saying that the deception side of it was mature behaviour but it was in response to the school's lack of faith in him which had serious consequences for him.

I don't know, I can see both sides of it and the large cash gifts I do think are insane, but his teachers really did fuck him over there and part of me thinks good on him for showing them they got him wrong.

ToaskaQ · Today 11:40

harderthanIexpected · Today 11:04

I'm with you OP, especially given your update. The PPs saying that it's great he has relevant work experience etc are missing the point IMO.

That level of Machiavellian behaviour suggests he is going to be very successful, but not terribly pleasant. Not helped by being egged on by his dad and fawned over by his grandparents. I would be very disappointed and concerned.

I absolutely agree with this.

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 11:41

Does he have a good heart? Meaning does he have compassion? For poor children, abused animals, people living in the streets? If the answer is yes, then all of the above is not a problem in the least. If the answer is no, then you are creating a problem.

PaterPower · Today 11:41

It sounds like his behaviour / personality has come from his Dad. I’d have been horrified if either of my DC had laughed in the face of any of their teachers, never mind given them the finger. I wouldn’t have been laughing along with him in the car back home.

And the deliberate misbehaviour at school as well. What’ll he do when he gets a manager at work that he doesn’t like? Or if he thinks one of his Bath / Cambridge tutors is not recognising his ‘brilliance?’

I also agree that 40K with no strings / not invested at his age is insane, and not likely to encourage financial responsibility.

Disturbia81 · Today 11:44

He’d be perfect as a CEO or sneaky stock trader etc
I’d be so turned oft your husband

Katalica · Today 11:45

I think YANBU.

Kids who get everything given to them on a plate often don’t understand hardship or striving for something and it can cause serious mental issues when they’re older and lose purpose in life.

DeterminedRat · Today 11:46

Does your husband come from money and you don't? This sounds like standard rich people things. Your son now also comes from money, that means that he is always going to be OK and doesn't need the resilience or the lessons that the rest of us do to get by in life. He will always be fine, there will always be a job with his, there will be more money from his grandparents, he will be fine.

Lmnop22 · Today 11:47

ChampagneProblemsTS · Today 11:37

Because he's put his parents through shit and now appears to be an arrogant twat. If I were OP I'd be reeling from that too.

I agree that he put the OP through unnecessary stress and that was unkind but we don’t necessarily know he’s an arrogant twat, I don’t think there’s enough information about that.

Yes, he shouldn’t have done it but I can sort of understand his anger at being predicted clearly far less that he was capable of achieving meaning his UCAS applications were more limited and he had to apply to places he didn’t really want to go to. He didn’t react in the best way but he’s 18 and seems to have reacted from a place of anger rather than calculated ill intent.

I think what’s more telling is how he is generally - is he a kind and compassionate boy who has acted out of character here or has he had a bit of a malicious deceptive streak brewing for ages and this is the last straw?

Heronwatcher · Today 11:48

I think the job you have to let him make his own decision.

The money- YANBU. What he is going to do is piss it all away before he even starts uni. He absolutely must save a chunk of it for something like a house deposit or a backup for his time at uni. If he won’t do this I’d start charging him rent and save it on his behalf. But his grandparents are utterly mad to even have done this in the first place rather than give him a bit of fun money and then save the rest for when he’s older.

NavyRobin · Today 11:48

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 11:02

Sorry @NavyRobin but he sounds a nasty piece of work. And your husband doesn't sound a lot better.

I think it's inevitable that eventually he's going to come a cropper due to his horrible attitude. He's got away with it so far but in work, no one will tolerate that entitlement. I don't see him at Oxbridge either.

I am not too sure about Cambridge either but he has overachieved and met the entry requirements so his application will be looked at. We will have to see, its not set in stone, he has other universities in mind too but its worth a try.

I am not happy with his behaviour and I am trying my best to tackle it but it doesn't help when his grandparents spoil him and their other grandchildren.

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Heronwatcher · Today 11:53

His bahaviour at school and since then makes me absolutely think that he’s not mature enough to deal with this money sensibly. At best he’ll fritter it away- at worst he could end up with a penchant for class A drugs, in rehab or crashing his new car into a lamp post. I think your DH sounds as immature as your son TBH so I think your best bet is speaking to the grandparents and setting this out-
then maybe you can persuade him to save some of it. It’s going to be an uphill struggle though as it’s in his hands.

Who is paying for his uni? Could you say that unless he saves the lump sum he has to put it towards his uni education- if you had planned to support him? Then you could secretly save what you had been planning to use for his uni costs.

OneNewLeader · Today 11:53

Life will be just fine for your son, WE gifted to him, a car gifted to him, all Uni fees gifted to him and if he’s lucky a deposit for a house , gifted to him. Sadly his personality might let him down a smidgeon, but he’s young and life will happen to him.

thisismeithinkorisit · Today 11:54

NavyRobin · Today 10:53

I am just shocked at his behaviour, all this time we received emails and phone calls from school saying, he is getting 12% on his tests, saying he doesn't know all the time when asked a question in class, teachers offering to help him as they were confused why he was getting such low results. Then at home DH and I see him revising all the time and sticking to a routine, every Saturday he was going to the library for 8 hours, we had his location and were telling the school that he was revising. Turns out he was pretending at school all because his teachers did not want to predict him A stars to apply for Cambridge. The we were having to go to meetings at the school. Now results day his head of year was confused and he goes over to him and laughs in his face and puts his middle finger up at him. DH found it funny and was encouraging him. He scored the highest in his year group for his Maths A Levels and now the school has to put his name up, DH then says in the car 'that'll teach them' The whole year he was pretending to be stupid at school on purpose. I just do not understand what goes on in a 17-18 year olds mind. Yes he was not predicted great results but in the end we accepted that and told him to just work hard but he decided to act like this instead

but none of that relates to the other stuff.

you need to split the issues up.

he has decided to take a gap year and apply to a "better Uni. he will be working in an engineering related role, earning money and keeping a routine. he's not bumming about for a year sleeping in til midday and refusing to wash.

he's used the money from his grandparents to buy a car and stuff he wants. he isn't gambling, spending it on drugs etc.

yes the attitude with school is immature and I'd be telling kn no uncertain terms how disappointed I was, but what has he said over the last two years when you knew he was working hard but school couldn't see it? have you never asked what was going on?

titchy · Today 11:56

Octavia64 · Today 11:02

When you say he has potentially an exciting future ahead of him - it’s easy to think great a level results mean a good uni and then it’s easy to get a job.

my dd graduated in astrophysics from Newcastle last year and only one of her year got a proper graduate job straight from uni. Lots of the rest are doing masters, temping, etc.

it‘a really, really tough out there and so if working in an engineering firm rather than the deli counter will improve your son’s chances he absolutely should do it.

in three or four years he’ll know how tough it is. There’s no need to try to make him do a objectively worse job because you think he is spoilt (quite apart from anything else it won’t work)

I suspect daddy will give him a job again if he doesn’t get any grad employment. Obviously at a hugely inflated salary.

DolefullySingingMotherfucka · Today 11:57

Manipulative little sod isn't he?

Pinkflamingo10 · Today 11:57

I would worry about my son being capable of that kind of deception, and that level of disrespect towards his teachers and school.
I would make him save the money for uni expenses and fees etc

user1464187087 · Today 11:58

Aleveldilemma · Today 11:05

He put his middle finger up at his head of year and your DH encouraged that?

Forget all the other stuff - I’d be tackling that first. What twatty behaviour!

That was my first thought. Why would you do that?

bananaobama · Today 11:58

He sounds like a spoiled little twerp

so he has a great gap year job in engineering and the chance to to university and pay fees up front
(nepo baby)

Sorry but the thought of an 18 year old spunking £40k when they could put it towards university fees is making me nauseous

lucky little shit

Ophy83 · Today 11:58

I get it. His behaviour has been appalling. Making his teachers lives harder, wasting your time and giving you a load of worry. And just at the moment you realise how he has been behaving he gets rewarded when usually he would get a right bollocking.

stuffedanimalsandchocolate · Today 11:59

The money is crazy and honestly irresponsible of the grandparents. I don't know what you do about that though, especially if his Dad doesn't agree with you.

Try and have some discussions with him about saving. Try and get his Dad on board, maybe tell him that he has to use that money to pay for living expenses at uni? That you won't help him with a house deposit if he just spunks it all up the wall?

Birdcatdog · Today 11:59

He sounds like a little arsehole to be honest. But he should take the opportunity to work with his dad in engineering during this year as it will be better for him in the long run rather than working in a shop.
Will he expect you to help him financially in uni if he blows through all the cash he has received recently?

AprilMizzel · Today 11:59

Teach him about budgeting - and uni costs and housing deposits - and saving and investing.

But I think working in engineering firm - even if Dad's will make him a more competative candiate - yes it's nepotism but sadly I do think that's made a massive come back - and you'd be mad to stand in his way there.

Not sure I'd believe him about A-level stuff TBH - he may be covering up struggling and later getting it or not getting on with staff or rationalising something perhaps he didn't understand ie why they graded him lower and now has a narrative with him in control - people are funny things and teens boys can be big on bravdo. I'd be happy with results TBH and the plan going forward.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · Today 12:00

You’re not wrong to feel unnerved. It would make me question his character.

But then you described your husband’s behaviour and I’m afraid that’s where it sounds like he’s copying a model.

Honestly, I would’ve been looking at house with that kind of money and to spend on a new car. He obviously thinks he’s going to be earning a very good salary after doing his degree and maybe he will.

I would be having very strong words about his attitude and behaving towards other people who are seemingly taking his education seriously in a very derogatory way.

The money you can’t control But his attitude is something you can influence.

Timeforachange26 · Today 12:00

Octavia64 · Today 10:47

You are being unreasonable.

sorry.

if he can get a job that’s related to what he wants to do then it’ll stand him in incredibly good stead when he comes to apply for internships and placements as part of his degree.

graduate unemployment is massively high and you want him to do a job that won’t help him move on in his career?

why do you want him to do a job that is objectively not as good?

Ok so he's " too good" to do a regular teen job so what do you think he should do with his gap year if he doesn't find an " acceptable" job

Edited after seeing Daddy can get him a job. Hopefully he will actually work and learn at that rather than the CBA attitude as his dad is obviously fairly high up