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Rise of far right

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Sillyme1 · Today 07:00

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

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Daygloboo · Today 10:25

Sillyme1 · Today 07:00

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

Absolutely yes.

JHound · Today 10:25

StandFirm · Today 10:18

You know Nazism was never just about Jews right? It was also about Roma, Slavs, black people, disabled people, Communists, socialists.

Yes.
Read the AfD's manifesto and weep: segregation in schools for children of refugees, removal of refugee status for Ukrainians (claiming they're safe enough in Western Ukraine), closer ties with Russia, promoting AI as an alternative to immigration (Musk supports the AfD so that may not be entirely neutral as a point), 'special schools' for disabled children (!!!!!!)*, discouraging, quote, 'sexual deviations and non-reproductive lifestyles' and 'aggressively' promoting traditional gender roles within the nuclear family structure, setting up online portals to allow AfD supporters to 'denounce' teachers openly critical of the AfD. And so on... It's a really, really bad déjà vu.
*To be clear, those special schools for disabled children are not a proposal to enhance SEND provisions in Germany but well and truly to segregate. They are also planning to scrap mental health support (cause, you know, Siegfried doesn't need to open up like a weak gamma male, now does he? much better he drowns his issues in bad beer and batters his wife when he gets home)

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“sexual deviations and non-reproductive lifestyles'

Wonder what they count in this. I will see if I can find what their actual manifesto says.

I will say though I am not sure I see the issue with SEN schools if it allows proper support for children with SEN, while children without can ensure their education isn’t disrupted? Genuine question btw as I don’t have kids.

Datgal · Today 10:26

People who blame 'immigrants' for our problems, are lacking in intelligence really. Thick as pigshit. Or so full of hatred they can't see straight.
Reformers and their ilk can't string a logical sentence together. And people just lap it up. Farage is an embarrassment. Did anyone see Nadine dorries being interviewed the other day?? And jenrick this morning on LBC? JFC....I feel like I'm in the twilight zone sometimes.

Bunnyofhope · Today 10:26

angelos02 · Today 10:22

Apparently mass immigration is a major concern for many people. The government are there to represent the people of this country - they are there to serve us. If most people want borders to be controlled, then that is what the government must do. If they don't, what happened at the weekend is going to happen more and more.

Yup exactly this.
How can any of this be a surprise to anyone.

Lemonraider · Today 10:26

Shakeoffyourchains · Today 09:46

Even if the police did release such data there's no chance the right would believe it. Their minds were made up long ago and no amount of evidence to the contrary will change it.

For example, Henry Fudge did a deep dive into the data and found that, once you normalise for age, sex and socio-economic factors, the arrest and conviction rates for asylum seekers is no higher than for Brits.

Hell, you still regularly get posters on here citing the centre for migration control, even though it was proven they'd deliberately falsified the data in their reports.

Another woman in favour of equal opportunity in Britain for the worlds rapists.

Newbutoldfather · Today 10:27

@NotAnotherScarf ,

I agree 100% with your last post.

I think that this is what ‘woke’ is shorthand for. It is the forming of a consensus about issues that a fair percentage of the population disagree with and refusing to even discuss them.

Things like EDI (I know it has a different name in the UK), the trans debate which affects all women and, of course, immigration. If anyone questions them they are labelled as bigoted or thick, or probably both.

It is the ‘extremist’ parties that questioned the woke agenda and brought it back into the mainstream. On the whole, their job is done as most parties are now at least speaking about the above issues. But now that their key issues are no longer USPs they are leveraging up their support and moving on to issues where there is a genuine consensus among decent people (such as not being racist).

Unfortunately they have momentum now, and will be hard to stop.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:27

Datgal · Today 10:26

People who blame 'immigrants' for our problems, are lacking in intelligence really. Thick as pigshit. Or so full of hatred they can't see straight.
Reformers and their ilk can't string a logical sentence together. And people just lap it up. Farage is an embarrassment. Did anyone see Nadine dorries being interviewed the other day?? And jenrick this morning on LBC? JFC....I feel like I'm in the twilight zone sometimes.

Insults. As per.usual. = unworthy response beyond this.

EasternStandard · Today 10:27

Shakeoffyourchains · Today 10:22

They're not. The MoJ rejected an FOI from the Centre for Migration Control for conviction data by nationality, citing cost, privacy concerns and the fact they already publish conviction data by factors including sex, ethnicity, age, etc.

Tbh given the CMC's track record of falsifying data to push a particular narrative, I'd question their motivations for such a raequest, especially since nationality ≠ immigration status.

Labour tried to cite those issues but the ICO rejected them.

Datgal · Today 10:28

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:27

Insults. As per.usual. = unworthy response beyond this.

Because quite frankly, I have no other words. Words fail me of how vile some people are. Sad and dangerous times.

Daygloboo · Today 10:28

Zonder · Today 07:31

You know Nazism was never just about Jews right? It was also about Roma, Slavs, black people, disabled people, Communists, socialists.

You're reinforcing acceptance of a similar ideology by pretending it's ok because it's not about the Jews this time.

And gay people

OneLilacHedgehog · Today 10:28

EasternStandard · Today 10:21

Do you think that the U.K. is worse on this than a country that has re-introduced stoning women?

Please tell me what country you are talking about.
The only country that applies to is Afghanistan. And most asylum seekers are people persecuted for helping the British when we were there e.g. interpreters, or specific professions such as journalists and those fighting for human rights, and their families.

You are reading and regurgitating meaningless sound bites.

Stairlifter · Today 10:29

angelos02 · Today 10:22

Apparently mass immigration is a major concern for many people. The government are there to represent the people of this country - they are there to serve us. If most people want borders to be controlled, then that is what the government must do. If they don't, what happened at the weekend is going to happen more and more.

The government is there to do what's in our interests, not just to do what we want. And besides, it's impossible to do what 'most people's want because there isn't a common view on what that is beyond 'control our borders'. OK but what does that mean? How controlled? How many civil liberties do we erode to control them? How many fingerprints / bits of biometric and other data do we take at airports so that you can prove you're not 'illegal'? How much money do we spend? What and where do we cut to fund it? What new laws do we need? Which current ones do we want to change? Ask the football lads from these protests and I bet about 10 would understand you and there'd be about 15 different opinions from that group alone.

echt · Today 10:29

Datgal · Today 10:26
People who blame 'immigrants' for our problems, are lacking in intelligence really. Thick as pigshit. Or so full of hatred they can't see straight.
Reformers and their ilk can't string a logical sentence together. And people just lap it up. Farage is an embarrassment. Did anyone see Nadine dorries being interviewed the other day?? And jenrick this morning on LBC? JFC....I feel like I'm in the twilight zone sometimes.

@LuckyHazelFox Insults. As per.usual. = unworthy response beyond this

If the cap fits........

MsGreying · Today 10:29

Put some of your faux outrage at the left who have pushed for children to be mutilated in the trans cause.

There are huge issues in this country regarding supply of housing, food, water and land, and keep adding to the problems of youth unemployment by bringing in people who will work shit jobs or just sit about on benefits helps no one.

Economic migrants boating themselves in is not good. We don't know who they are, the HO vetting is appalling and people seem to be able to stay for claiming all sorts of nonsense.
On top of that - which does get people far more excised - is the huge number of students who come over here and then claim asylum rather than go home, and those who bring family members requiring medical treatment.

There's serious unemployment and depression amongst the native population because they are seen as expendable - that someone else will get the jobs they have trained for (doctors, nurses, midwives, and then all the uni people who fail to get a good job because there are none)

Go and look at the list of jobs you can come to the UK to do. There's such stupid things on there.

Let's support our young people into work (reverse the awful changes to employment law immediately, reduce Employers NI) and get the UK on a stable footing.

More people is not the answer.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:30

Datgal · Today 10:28

Because quite frankly, I have no other words. Words fail me of how vile some people are. Sad and dangerous times.

It's just as well you have no other words; they probably take too long to rehearse.

OneLilacHedgehog · Today 10:30

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:27

Insults. As per.usual. = unworthy response beyond this.

Tbh people or bots, I don't know which on here, do repeat things that are just plain wrong. Things that one minute of googling would show are wrong. I don't think they are thick. I do think they are a bit gullible.

BrandiedAromatics · Today 10:30

I am horrified by the rise of the AfD but I must be accurate. The leader is a lesbian, in a civil partnership, she does not support same-sex marriage.

Bloozie · Today 10:30

Blondiebeachbabe · Today 10:14

We have had thousands of undocumented men breaking into this country every day. They come from cultures where women get stoned, and where rape isn't a crime. The Government have not stopped this from happening, in fact they have given these men accommodation and money, and leaflets saying that if they rape they "may" not get to stay.

OF COURSE eventually the young men of this country will take matters into their own hands. That doesn't make them far right - they have little choice now as the Government aren't handling it.

I predicted this years ago.

Anyone who didn't see this coming, has been living under a rock.

I will be voting Reform.

This is evidentially completely untrue. You are confidently spreading lies, misinformation and fear, supported by highly selective half-truths.

Your numbers are wrong - WILDLY wrong.

Your assertion about the 'rape leaflet' is taken massively out of context.

People taking matters into their own hands by directing violence against immigrants DOES make them far right.

You are part of the problem in this country, and one that I would argue is bigger than asylum seekers. I have no issue with anyone voting Reform or any other party - I have a MASSIVE problem with people spreading lies.

Rothburypixie · Today 10:31

What really gets me is that people actually believe that people like Farage, Trump etc actually have their best interests at heart. All they care about are lining their pockets and fuelling hate to further their power. They have emboldened people to be so disgustingly racist.

From what I personally see all these ‘patriots’ care about is immigration and think if immigrants were all gone the UK would turn into some kind of perfect utopia over night.

Contain4 · Today 10:31

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:08

Your last paragraph 😆 🤣 spot the irony

You might have to explain the irony as I can’t see it.

EasternStandard · Today 10:31

OneLilacHedgehog · Today 10:28

Please tell me what country you are talking about.
The only country that applies to is Afghanistan. And most asylum seekers are people persecuted for helping the British when we were there e.g. interpreters, or specific professions such as journalists and those fighting for human rights, and their families.

You are reading and regurgitating meaningless sound bites.

You using insults doesn’t reflect my post. So now you’ve understood which country going back to your claim re the UK, where is worse for rape convictions?

StandFirm · Today 10:32

JHound · Today 10:25

“sexual deviations and non-reproductive lifestyles'

Wonder what they count in this. I will see if I can find what their actual manifesto says.

I will say though I am not sure I see the issue with SEN schools if it allows proper support for children with SEN, while children without can ensure their education isn’t disrupted? Genuine question btw as I don’t have kids.

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Knowing enough about the rise of the AfD, I can tell you it does not come from a place of concern for kids. It's about hiding away those who need more support. Their roots are so deep in Nazism that even the RN in France (whose founder had controversial ties with former Nazis back in the day) refuses to sit with them in the European Parliament (there are questions around how much of that distance is just for show, but still... the AfD is that toxic)

OneLilacHedgehog · Today 10:32

@MsGreying there is an issue with white people coming from America for free medical treatment, I agree.

Daygloboo · Today 10:32

Crosswurd · Today 08:18

Only shocking to people who haven't been paying attention, although I suspect the demographic breakdown will be surprising to many.

Explain the demographic breakdown please

LuckyHazelFox · Today 10:33

Contain4 · Today 10:31

You might have to explain the irony as I can’t see it.

No, and that's the problem.

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