Rise of far right

[Sillyme1]

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

I’m more worried about the rise of the far right here.

Why then are the UK government taking legal action to stop the release of crime stats broken down by nationality / immigration status? If the stats show that asylum seekers are no more likely to commit crime, especially sexual crime, surely the Labour government would be very keen to release them?

Sadly not.

To clarify, I meant your assertion.

It’s scary - especially for those of us in their target hate groups.

But not much I can do about it so can only get on with my life and what will be will be.

And avoid reading comments on social media / newsites. Online racism is off the charts so easier avoided.

Quite, it’s been going on for decades really

The key demographic of Reform voters is uneducated men.

There are worries and is a serious conversation to be had about illegal immigration but the solution is most definitely not to turn to the far right. Haven’t we learnt anything from history?

Not to be all doom and gloom but actually I think the circumstances today are at least as dangerous as they were a century ago: we are facing major economic, financial, political AND environmental crises. It's not just the 1930s we should bear in mind. If you read about the French Revolution, which remains one of the most seismic events of European history of all time (with an extremely bloody aftermath), you see that the state had too much debt (the French couldn't afford to support the American rebels to the extent they did so the coffers were empty by the end of it) and a huge volcanic eruption - in Iceland I believe- caused a mini ice age which in turn triggered pretty widespread famine for a few years leading up to 1789. Those events combined with a rising anger about the levels of corruption gave the world the OG of modern revolutions...

NET immigration is down. Many high earning Brits are leaving. 800,000 arriving while 600,000 leave means net immigration is down but the numbers arriving is a cumulative total and we are losing people with assets and skills while importing people who are a net drain.

I'm happy for you to quote me verbatim, but not with your definition.
Far right parties are those who's ideologies are based in nationalism, racism and xenophobia, and far right extremism means they are prepared to resort to undemocratic and sonetimes violent means to impose their ideology.
The specific parties I have in mind are Britain First, BDP and Homeland party. Restore largely also meet the criteria in terns of ideology, although I have not seen any official calls to 'direct action' from them as yet.
There are also individuals, such as Tommy Robinson and nazi communities such as the one the individual Badenoch has recently recruited was formerly a member of, who are active online.
All of these have attached thenselves to the mainstream concern of immigration, framing themselves as only wanting what ordinary people want.

I think it's a bot campaign, like the pro Israeli ones. Numerous , fast posts all saying the same thing in a slightly different way. Why Mumsnet? Because lots of people use it, it's worth the cost.

Net migration to UK in 2025 was only 177,000 not 813,000 but I'm sure that you know that.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

Ok so you feel that you’re treated second in this country because these men who aren’t British-born leer at you and make you feel uncomfortable but British men don’t make these comments towards you?

I just want to be clear what the actual problem is because obviously it’s an extremely important topic and it’s important voices are heard and concerns acknowledged.

I have not said anything about anyone being racist and I wouldn’t unless they actually say something racist.

The government leaflets are a silly argument for anyone to make.
Every work place has a sexual harassment policy, just like those leaflets - because some men don’t know how to behave appropriately.

If it was only non-British men who acted inappropriately towards women then we wouldn’t need workplace sexual harassment policies, leaflets and posters in universities, pubs, clubs and workplaces, prison sentences and we wouldn’t have prisons full of rapists.

The majority of toilets in pubs, restaurants and hospitals etc - will have ‘ask for Angela’ posters telling you to ask for help if you feel unsafe.

The information in these leaflets are given to British men in some form on a regular basis - yet for some reason people are upset that they’re also given to immigrants to this country - should they not be given the same information as our men are?
Or are they allowed to act inappropriately towards women?

That doesn’t mean educated mc voters are any more amenable to say asylum barracks nearby. They just say no in a different way.

People in Nazi Germany believed that they had legitimate grievances

Germans after 1919 had every reason to feel aggrieved;

• public services broken
• awful youth unemployment.
• huge national debt

Ring a bell?

That’s what makes social trouble. And leads to scapegoating.

But protesting against illegal migration isn’t stigmatising. No doubt racists would love it if it was, and they may start trying it on.

All we’ve got ourselves is another bag of angry men to cope with, sigh.

Incidentally, comparing the fate of German Jews to illegal migrants today is too offensive to entertain.

Not just in Europe, I am terrified about the rise of the far right in the UK. This weekend, balaclava-wearing goons representing the thugs of Tommy Robinson and probably funded by Elon Musk (and indirectly by Russia) were drafted in to cause disruption in Dover and Portsmouth. All this comes at a time when for several weeks there have been no small arrivals and in a year where they have been halved. The Far Right's victory in part of Germany was also enabled and funded by Musk. We have some very bad people trying to undermine our democracy.

800,000 people came and approx 600,000 left. But many of the people leaving were high earners with assets and skills. Many of the people arriving are low skilled and a net drain. So there is still a problem.

Or much more common, can be concerned by hate towards other groups but have no issue going on marches that call for the death of Jews.
Antisemitism is always intelectulised by the left by creating smokescreens and validity around the extreme actions of Israel, but for some reasons Islamic hate is never validated to actions of states like Afganistan, which of course it shouldn't be. Why the actions of Israel justify hatred to ordinary Jews in London but the actions of Islamic States that persecute Christain minorities and take their land, doesn't for Islamic residents in London, is never really explained within the ideology of the left.

Oh ffs give it a rest on the bot shit. MN warn against doing this. We are NOT trolls because we think differently to you. What do you mean "pro Israeli ones"? You mean people really can't apply their knowledge of the ME conflict to cut through all the pro Palestine propaganda?

This is nothing to do with race or colour
It's about a small country, already full , without enough houses ,jobs , benefits, dentists , doctors, hospital appointments for the people who already live here .
We have our own homeless who need helping,and our own families spending years in temporary accommodation,with no home of their own ,no garden for their children
Social housing is unreachable in many many areas for normal hard working Brits .the fact that this issue of migration is getting tied up in race and racism is what is stopping our government from trying to solve the problem
As much as we would like to ( as a former green voter) save the whole world and give everyone who wants one a home ...we just can't ..it costs so much money housing and supporting all these extra males .and the council houses for locals don't exist..so many young people still living at home ,with no chance of a council house .
On an airplane,it's always put on your own life jacket before you can help anyone else ..
Britain needs to help itself first , before it can help others

But even the numbers arriving are down too.

Also isn’t the “net drain” argument a little reductive. It focuses solely on money instead of the actual jobs many do. I don’t think, for example, carers are a drain on a society even if they are low paid.

Exactly!

We care about our country just as much as these men apparently do.

This is our country and we want to feel safe and not have our resources depleted entirely, so conversations about are immigration are important.

But I do not feel safe around these men.
These men are more of a danger to me and other women and children than immigrants are.
We know that this group of men are more likely to have criminal records against women and children.
We know that any time these men ‘protest’ it comes with attacks on our police force and health care workers.

These men don’t care about women or children.
They are far right - they want the same things as those who support Sharia Law.

There is a reason why 99% of the people ‘protesting’ at Dover are men (I’m guessing there must be a few women but I’ve not seen any yet).

However the failings of the left don't justify those of the right.
Fuck extremes.

Your last paragraph 😆 🤣 spot the irony