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Rise of far right

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Sillyme1 · Today 07:00

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

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Bloozie · Today 16:48

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:35

So we're the black panthers when they imitated the military. Did you see that as a problem.?

Yes. I'm equal opportunities when it comes to angry people cosplaying the military.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:48

Worrall20 · Today 16:47

Don’t Antifa dress in black with a balaclava? So it ok for one set of protestors but not the other?

You've got it. The anti fascists (joke) like to shout fascist scum off our streets by behaving like fascists.

Worrall20 · Today 16:48

Worrall20 · Today 16:47

Don’t Antifa dress in black with a balaclava? So it ok for one set of protestors but not the other?

Sorry person answer!

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 16:48

Livelovebehappy · Today 16:46

If Reform get in at the next election, it will be because a majority of people in the UK who have real concerns about immigration, feel that they are not being listened to. People cannot dismiss the concerns of a majority of voters just because they don’t agree with them. Labour have a choice, either listen and be proactive about immigration, or just arrogantly ignore the masses. If Reform get in, then the only people to blame are the government. There would be no place in British politics for parties like Reform if the Government did what they are elected to do, which is to listen to voters instead of blindly implementing their own ideology.

Reform has already peaked. They're not going to get into government at the next election.

EasternStandard · Today 16:49

It’s up in the air re the next GE. The French election could be a factor.

StandFirm · Today 16:49

Lemonraider · Today 16:45

What's happening to them in your ideal world? When is the ideal world created by mass immigration going to appear?

I am not the one looking to radically redefine who gets to be British, that's you. In my world, the current real world, children born and raised in Britain for the first ten years of their lives are entitled to full British citizenship and the same set of rights that you presumably enjoy- whether or not their parents were born in the UK. That's what I want to keep. Today's rules, you can look them up on the Home Office website.
So I'm asking you again: what do you want to do with children born of at least one foreign born parent?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:49

EasternStandard · Today 16:49

It’s up in the air re the next GE. The French election could be a factor.

It most definitely will be a factor.

Makkka · Today 16:50

Mass influx of undocumented males who arrive here illegally and need to be given leaflets saying do not rape etc….. gosh, how very dare we have concerns for our daughters. Especially when a lot of these men come from countries where women don’t have human rights and 40 year old men can marry kids. Are they a product of their environment? Yes for those who hold those beliefs but do I want a centre next door to me? Absolutely not until we know who they are.

How very right wing of anyone to dare say , actually I’m concerned…. The irony in the middle class poster holders who don’t have to worry about getting attacked because they aren’t on their doorstep in the leafy suburbs. People are allowed to air their legitimate concerns, whether you like it or not

Daygloboo · Today 16:51

LuckyHazelFox · Today 15:44

I think it's already planned that 'Zia bloke' will take over, sooner than you think.

Oh i cant wait😟

Lemonraider · Today 16:51

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 16:38

Oh, I assure you, you've said plenty. We get the measure of you.

I've posted about mass immigration. The word mass. Talking about the sheer numbers and demographic change.It used constantly about immigration. It's a measure. You only want to talk about your daughter.

You have posted substantial hatred about me, you being a pillar of diversity and all that and proud of how harmonious it all is. Quite clearly your hatred of me is absolute proof that it's the opposite.

Anyahyacinth · Today 16:52

Gloriia · Today 16:40

I hope it becomes a nationwide thing. Maybe a colour code could be introduced for those scared of black? Purple onesie be ok or would some still be triggered?

Remember that ( you said this) when things go further and things get out of hand much like that street in N Ireland getting burnt out in June …this will lead to serious harm and you said it was a good thing…already we have black shirts on out streets you think that’s a good thing…bizarre..it’s harmful and anti democratic

IdaGlossop · Today 16:52

Jollygreygiantess · Today 16:46

OK feel free to indulge your own opinions and promote your own narrative.
If anyone has 'behaved badly'; then they will be taken to task and due process will take its course.

You seem not to understand the difference between facts and opinion. No indulgence or promotion of my own narrative about it. Go to YouTube and look at the footage. It's all there. Facts. Meanwhile, due process is taking its course in Parliament as the Privileges Committee looks at why Farage was gifted £5m and whether he should have declared it.

Worrall20 · Today 16:53

Goatsarebest · Today 09:44

I travel alot in Central and Eastern Europe and using the term 'far right' for the policies of the parties currently being elected is an insult to those that died and suffered under truely 'far right' regimes. The continually use of the term for Conservative policies devalues the term. If you think Reform is 'far right' you need to go and stand on the edge of the Danube in Budapest where the shoes of women and children are created as art to remember those thrown in to drown because of their family political support, or go to Lithuanian villages that all, with little exception, have mass graves on their outskirts. Or maybe the mobile gas chambers in Solvenia and Slovakia to remove political opponents.
Closing down the genuine debate about issues around immigration and sustainability of communities and distribution of resources in society, by labeling everyone as a common enemy and extreme is exactly what creates the situations where extreme agendas can develop. But the left never see this because they believe their ideology is the only ideology that should be tolerated. Every report of centre right wing views is now started with 'the far right'. It's an attempt to embedded the idea that not conferring with the liberal left wing ideology is a threat to society. It's working too. Labelling reform as 'far right' and even facist is now completely mainstream.
It's not a 'far right' those turning in their watery grave in the Danube would recognise, that's for sure.

Fantastic post.

2andadog · Today 16:53

Livelovebehappy · Today 16:46

If Reform get in at the next election, it will be because a majority of people in the UK who have real concerns about immigration, feel that they are not being listened to. People cannot dismiss the concerns of a majority of voters just because they don’t agree with them. Labour have a choice, either listen and be proactive about immigration, or just arrogantly ignore the masses. If Reform get in, then the only people to blame are the government. There would be no place in British politics for parties like Reform if the Government did what they are elected to do, which is to listen to voters instead of blindly implementing their own ideology.

But Labour are doing something about immigration. So how is Reform going to do anything different? Their values and what they've campaigned for are partially what caused the increase in non EU immigration to the UK. People are still gullible enough to believe they will do something different so because they "say so"?

THIS is the problem, what people believe, and what is actually happening are hugely removed from each other, and that is allowing the rise of extremism.

Soitshoteh · Today 16:53

Jollygreygiantess · Today 16:47

OK please yourself.

if you’re referring to the ‘shame on you’ , me commenting that on what you said is not an attack by any stretch of the imagination please enlighten me on how it is

IdaGlossop · Today 16:54

Daygloboo · Today 16:51

Oh i cant wait😟

It will never work. He's brown.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 16:54

EasternStandard · Today 16:49

It’s up in the air re the next GE. The French election could be a factor.

I think Reform will have unravelled by the time we get there. Restore will probably take a chunk of their votes, but they're too extreme for most so the rest will go back to the Tories.

Hard to say what will happen to the Green vote, but that may well implode as well. Libdems? They will take a share.

I think it will mainly be an old fashioned Labour/Tory contest with a few extra fringe parties on the edges. The nationalist parties in Wales and Scotland will probably continue to do well.

StandFirm · Today 16:55

Lemonraider · Today 16:51

I've posted about mass immigration. The word mass. Talking about the sheer numbers and demographic change.It used constantly about immigration. It's a measure. You only want to talk about your daughter.

You have posted substantial hatred about me, you being a pillar of diversity and all that and proud of how harmonious it all is. Quite clearly your hatred of me is absolute proof that it's the opposite.

Mass is made up of individuals. The minute you lose sight of that, you get mass graves.

NoDrums · Today 16:55

Anyahyacinth · Today 16:37

Oh dear you totally ignored the point about who is extracting resources from our economy…and it’s not migrants …of whatever kind

That wasn’t my point but fine, go ahead and remain confused. Recent migrants on benefits are absolutely extracting limited financial resources from the state. Putting up the men from the “small” boats are also costing the state resources it does not have.

Livelovebehappy · Today 16:55

Anyahyacinth · Today 16:45

Oh my goodness all those British Expats across the world excluding others by not speaking the language

The fear and insecurity in people who fear they cannot compete = racist excuses …for fear of being challenged to be and do better.

To actually consider the structural problems in our society of where wealth is being held and siphoned …too scary …let’s blame poor strangers instead. I thought our country had a Christian heritage?

Love each other, love thy neighbour? Anyone?

Absolutely agree that British ex pats should learn the language of the country they choose to live in. I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t. If you choose to move to another country to live, then you should learn the language of that country and absorb their culture and values. I work for a very large company, and we had to implement rules around speaking a different language, because of complaints that certain communities were conversing in their own language, isolating and excluding others working alongside them.

EasternStandard · Today 16:56

2andadog · Today 16:53

But Labour are doing something about immigration. So how is Reform going to do anything different? Their values and what they've campaigned for are partially what caused the increase in non EU immigration to the UK. People are still gullible enough to believe they will do something different so because they "say so"?

THIS is the problem, what people believe, and what is actually happening are hugely removed from each other, and that is allowing the rise of extremism.

I think it depends who is in power in France. If it’s two parties on the right they’ll likely introduce other measures.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:56

IdaGlossop · Today 16:54

It will never work. He's brown.

Nice. The same is said about Badenoch. I think both will do just fine.

Theyreeatingthedogs · Today 16:58

Mooselander · Today 07:19

YABVU. And what is described as the “far right” now was centralist not that long ago.

When? In the 1930s?

Contain4 · Today 16:58

Posters seem to be getting triggered without reading what the thread is actually about.

The thread is about FAR right views (it’s literally in the title of the thread).

If you are a woman, you would not be agreeing with far right views (unless you were a complete idiot).

As a woman you should be just as concerned about the rise in far right views and as any leftist is.

Daygloboo · Today 16:59

Worrall20 · Today 16:53

Fantastic post.

Have you never heard of mission creep.

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