Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Rise of far right

589 replies

Sillyme1 · Today 07:00

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

OP posts:
Laurmolonlabe · Today 13:11

LuckyHazelFox · Today 13:09

So, it's you who doesn't understand the term. I thought that was the case.

Shenanigans- either explain what you think was gaslighting in my post or stop wasting everybody's time.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 13:12

Laurmolonlabe · Today 13:11

Shenanigans- either explain what you think was gaslighting in my post or stop wasting everybody's time.

That tone really does sum up my original point. Good day.

deuxbleublanc · Today 13:13

OP disappeared. What' the point of starting a thread like this and not engaging? Most peculiar.

Gloriia · Today 13:13

LuckyHazelFox · Today 13:12

That tone really does sum up my original point. Good day.

It's funny how the slurs, insults and sarcasm are coming from the #BeKind crew isn't it.

Contain4 · Today 13:14

Gloriia · Today 13:10

'If you stop talking and listen to what people are saying then perhaps you wouldn’t have to make stuff up or get confused'

I'm not confused. Do try to post without this constant insults. It doesn't help your argument you know and no, I'm not 'offended'.

So where did I say you were far right?

Or where has anyone else on this thread called you far right?

Gloriia · Today 13:15

deuxbleublanc · Today 13:13

OP disappeared. What' the point of starting a thread like this and not engaging? Most peculiar.

They'll be busy on the other thread saying the KKK are taking over and the peaceful Dover protestors were dressed up as the SS. Yep, that was indeed posted.

echt · Today 13:15

deuxbleublanc · Today 13:13

OP disappeared. What' the point of starting a thread like this and not engaging? Most peculiar.

Advanced Search is your friend here.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 13:16

Gloriia · Today 13:13

It's funny how the slurs, insults and sarcasm are coming from the #BeKind crew isn't it.

Every time.

Hellohelga · Today 13:16

OP has launched this post then gone awol, allowing far right and their opponents to scrap it out. Daily Mail journo?

autumnisherenow · Today 13:17

MyManinCaracas · Today 07:20

I think pp hit the nail on the head; things in the U.K. don’t seem fair at the moment and it’s giving rise to far right politics. We are being told we have to keep giving whilst getting nothing in return. It’s too much.

This is it. The government wants to reassess council tax, where will that lead? We know they want to take much more money from us, and they’re eyeing up people owning homes. A small terrace house in zone 4 is now approaching £1million, they talk like you’re privileged to have this, but these used to be council houses.
Gas, electricity and water have already gone up massively.
At the same time, inner London is unrecognisable from how is was twenty or thirty years ago. It is just so rough and there are so many people with addiction problems. The resources to help them just aren’t available and yet we’re supposed to be taking more and more people in who can’t work.
The boat load of people today included some very well fed women with multiple children. If life was so tough, how come they decided to have all these children? Why are they so overweight?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 13:20

Hellohelga · Today 13:16

OP has launched this post then gone awol, allowing far right and their opponents to scrap it out. Daily Mail journo?

There are no far right people on this thread, so the journo will be disappointed.

LondonLass2026 · Today 13:22

Well I'm not fully white, but have been "told" that I don't belong here, that I "probably haven't" heard of popular culture songs and TV shows. LMAO. Couldn't be further from the truth.

Yes he wasn't born here but my grandfather was in the British Army, both parents went to school here (from secondary school days), and as for me, I'm as much of a Londoner as you can get. Went to a strict Christian school, grew up watching The Sweeney and Minder, and was born in the area both shows were filmed, listened to 80s pop, always told I have a Cockney accent, the only other language I speak is Spanish, but according to some I will never belong here, so whatever. If you put me in front of Tommy Robinson, he'd tell me to go "home".

echt · Today 13:24

The boat load of people today included some very well fed women with multiple children. If life was so tough, how come they decided to have all these children? Why are they so overweight?

Seriously? That's your beef, @autumnisherenow ?

dustabsorber · Today 13:27

autumnisherenow · Today 13:17

This is it. The government wants to reassess council tax, where will that lead? We know they want to take much more money from us, and they’re eyeing up people owning homes. A small terrace house in zone 4 is now approaching £1million, they talk like you’re privileged to have this, but these used to be council houses.
Gas, electricity and water have already gone up massively.
At the same time, inner London is unrecognisable from how is was twenty or thirty years ago. It is just so rough and there are so many people with addiction problems. The resources to help them just aren’t available and yet we’re supposed to be taking more and more people in who can’t work.
The boat load of people today included some very well fed women with multiple children. If life was so tough, how come they decided to have all these children? Why are they so overweight?

I am convinced they will bring in a property tax that OAPS can't pay and will take a charge on our houses in lieu of payment. Later, they will then force us out of our homes to house immigrant families.

Contain4 · Today 13:28

echt · Today 13:24

The boat load of people today included some very well fed women with multiple children. If life was so tough, how come they decided to have all these children? Why are they so overweight?

Seriously? That's your beef, @autumnisherenow ?

Misogyny is just as rife amongst women as it is with men unfortunately.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 13:28

As others say, you’d be mad - or part of the problem - not to be concerned. What we should be doing is looking at the reason why.

For example, social identity theory suggests that we naturally gravitate to/identify with the ‘in group’, it the group that has mor social cache, that is economically more successful, etc because evolution has taught us that that is the group, the tribe, that we need to be in to ensure survival and longevity for our offspring. When recourses become scarce or are threatened, membership of that group is important and often leads to targeting other groups - those seen as ‘out groups’ who are considered a threat. This is what happened in Germany after the great depression when Jewish people were seen to be affluent (in fact not just 1930’s Germany, but throughout history eg the Pogroms in York centuries ago). It is why people are feeling threatened by what appears to have been uncontrolled [legal] immigration in the UK [and other European nations] over the last 10+ years at a time when the post 2008 crash/covid/Ukraine war has had an impact on availability if resources and cost of living.

At the moment, fears over the resources (access to housing, benefits, jobs for young people under 25, the crumbling NHS, an education system that is too focused on identity based ideology and not ensuring every child leaves with an education and qualifications that reflect their potential etc) means that ‘identity’ has become core to that uncertainty - in this case national identity. In Germany, in France, in the UK, this is emerging as a fear of disconnecting with our cultural heritage and identity and feeding fear of, in particular, muslim immigrants. This is further exacerbated by the exponential rise of muslim, economic, illegal migration across Europe than NONE of the EU nations seem able to stem or to work together over. This has fed people from those communities, because they now also feel threatened and insecure, to close ranks and identify more with their faith and ethnicity than with being British. An increasingly negative destructive cycle of othering and alienation across many communities is the result.

Feeling othered, othering all people of different faiths or races, is an expected historically observed response, and one that all governments should have anticipated and acted proactively to counter.

I do fear the backlash, especially for my YA DC having to navigate it. But we need to stop shying away from difficult conversations if we want to resolve it. But very very few political parties want to engage because, ultimately, their existence is predicated on electability - in Labour’s case, the desire to be re-electable in 2-3 years time - so they shy away, leaving parties such at Reform and the Greens shouting loudly and bring that conversation into social discourse. What has happened in Germany (just as when R-wing parties surged in Italy a decade or so ago, and similar movements and parties were visibly growing in strength in France) should be a warning to the UK. It will take a brave party/a brave government to make the necessary changes - but it will need a brave and circumspect electorate to vote for them.

My optimism that we can achieve that in the UK waivers from day to day.

Dappy777 · Today 13:29

I'm sick of people using phrases like 'far-right'. Same goes for the word 'fascist'. What is a fascist? A fascist is intolerant, dictatorial and hate-filled. He is determined to impose his will on others. Now that's a perfect description of the so-called 'liberal' left. No one on Earth is more spiteful, vicious, hate-filled, intolerant or dictatorial than them. But because their hate is directed towards middle-class Mail readers, somehow it's OK.

People who support Reform and the AfD just want to be left alone. They want to hang on to their national identity. They don't want mass immigration because it destroys any sense of shared history and shared culture. Their motives are defensive. It's the globalist left who are the fascists and bullies. They're the ones trying to IMPOSE things on people. No European asked for multiculturalism. There was never any referendum. This profound change has been forced on us, and those who speak out are 'cancelled' or arrested for 'hate speech'.

It's the left who are trying to restrict free speech. It's the left who are removing books from libraries. It's the left who want the literary canon dismantled and classic novels re-written. It's the left who are trying to control what we can say and think and write.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 13:29

Sorry that was a TED talk… but I usually rant at the TV and the dogs and they just give me spaniel side-eye in response…

Contain4 · Today 13:30

If you put me in front of Tommy Robinson, he'd tell me to go "home".

And the irony is that he doesn’t even live here himself.

‘Loves this country’ yet refuses to live here or pay tax here.
Doesn’t have a job but owns at least 2 homes in other countries and is constantly on holiday in places like Dubai.

Utterlybutter · Today 13:34

The definition of "far right" has changed though. I don't want undocumented illegal men in our country, I don't want men who pretend to be women in our spaces. I suppose I'd be called "far right" rather than "one of the majority"

JoanOfThePark · Today 13:38

Cherry8809 · Today 12:59

But it’s not “anti-migrant” behaviour, is it?

Because the vast majority don’t take offence to educated, law-abiding immigrants coming to the UK to work in legitimate jobs and contributing to society. What they do take offence to is undocumented men, rocking up en-masse, passing through many “safe” countries to seek asylum here. Many of which have demonstrated behaviours that are entirely incompatible with Western values and practices.

I'm not sure that everyone makes that distinction, to be honest. Studies show that lawful permanent residents not from the white British population are experiencing higher levels of hate crime.

And while I would not wish to compare migration with colonialism because they are different things, I wonder what you imagine people in Asia and Africa felt like when the British rocked up there with behaviours entirely incompatible with their values and practices?

As for the OP's question about the far right. I am incredibly worried (and depressed) about it. I understand the anger that people feel about being left behind, but I honestly think that has more to do with the failure of, I would say mainly Tory government short-termism, which has failed to address the needs of most people in this country.

Contain4 · Today 13:39

Utterlybutter · Today 13:34

The definition of "far right" has changed though. I don't want undocumented illegal men in our country, I don't want men who pretend to be women in our spaces. I suppose I'd be called "far right" rather than "one of the majority"

I am a leftist and don’t want those things either.

Whatalunatic · Today 13:41

MyManinCaracas · Today 07:20

I think pp hit the nail on the head; things in the U.K. don’t seem fair at the moment and it’s giving rise to far right politics. We are being told we have to keep giving whilst getting nothing in return. It’s too much.

what do you mean 'nothing in return'?

Schools, NHS, fire service, police, social services, benefits, roads, rubbish collection....probably way more that I can't think of. What more do you want?

LoveItaly · Today 13:43

Dappy777 · Today 13:29

I'm sick of people using phrases like 'far-right'. Same goes for the word 'fascist'. What is a fascist? A fascist is intolerant, dictatorial and hate-filled. He is determined to impose his will on others. Now that's a perfect description of the so-called 'liberal' left. No one on Earth is more spiteful, vicious, hate-filled, intolerant or dictatorial than them. But because their hate is directed towards middle-class Mail readers, somehow it's OK.

People who support Reform and the AfD just want to be left alone. They want to hang on to their national identity. They don't want mass immigration because it destroys any sense of shared history and shared culture. Their motives are defensive. It's the globalist left who are the fascists and bullies. They're the ones trying to IMPOSE things on people. No European asked for multiculturalism. There was never any referendum. This profound change has been forced on us, and those who speak out are 'cancelled' or arrested for 'hate speech'.

It's the left who are trying to restrict free speech. It's the left who are removing books from libraries. It's the left who want the literary canon dismantled and classic novels re-written. It's the left who are trying to control what we can say and think and write.

Great post, which echoes what I, and many people that I know, also think. All of us tolerant and decent people fed up with the current situation. I count several immigrants among them too, of the kind that contribute greatly to this country and have made every possible effort to integrate. They are dismayed and upset at the direction this country is heading in too, and wondering if their future will be here after all.

nomas · Today 13:43

Zonder · Today 07:31

You know Nazism was never just about Jews right? It was also about Roma, Slavs, black people, disabled people, Communists, socialists.

You're reinforcing acceptance of a similar ideology by pretending it's ok because it's not about the Jews this time.

Exactly. Does he/she think were blind to what s/he’s doing.

Swipe left for the next trending thread