Rise of far right

[Sillyme1]

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

@3peassuit
There are worries and is a serious conversation to be had about illegal immigration but the solution is most definitely not to turn to the far right

What form would this serious conversation about illegal immigration take?

No, I think people are far right because a) they support a party that is actively working to reduce our rights and freedoms, and b) they negatively stereotype entire demographics based on ethnicity.

Wondering if you have any examples of positions that were mainstream 20, 30 or 50 years ago and that are considered far right today? I can't imagine that anti-migrant activism and national populism and the sort of behaviour we saw in Dover this weekend have ever been considered centrist.

This number includes people who are coming with a working visa, and are often well off and in well paid jobs.

There are new build estates around us full of people from Hong Kong, they tend to buy their houses in cash, and are wealthy.

I’m not concerned, nor am I remotely surprised that this is what it’s coming to.

What you’re seeing is the product of people feeling unheard for decades, exacerbated in recent years.

A session with a diversity trainer and some cake (not Victoria sponge though).

You would need to ask a Reform supporter, wouldn't you?

It'd be hilarious is not all so very bizarre.
Criticise daytime posters as sahp, disabled, no friends whilst posting in the daytime!

Say we're far right wing for objecting to undocumented, unvetted men entering in their hundreds then admit they don't want that either! Yeah but no but they're different or some such .

Those who want to do that are actually far right. Most people in the UK described as far right don't want those things, but they do want to deport illegal migrants who come here for a better life, no matter what colour or religion they are. It just so happens that a huge number of them are not white and are perceived as Muslims, but they would feel equally about any other ethnic or religious group. We welcomed the Ukrainian women and children on a strictly temporary basis; the same should apply to all other asylum seekers - why do those from developing nations seem to be granted ILR rather than temporary asylum? Special treatment for those who aren't white?

So having one or both parents born abroad disqualifies someone from calling themselves British? Do you think someone like Kemi Badenoch isn't Biritsh? Or Priti Patel? Or indeed Reform's own Zia Yusuf (whose parents were both born in Sri Lanka)?

But it’s not “anti-migrant” behaviour, is it?

Because the vast majority don’t take offence to educated, law-abiding immigrants coming to the UK to work in legitimate jobs and contributing to society. What they do take offence to is undocumented men, rocking up en-masse, passing through many “safe” countries to seek asylum here. Many of which have demonstrated behaviours that are entirely incompatible with Western values and practices.

They do. Maybe King Andy will be more proactive, he does seem a doer <so far>.

I'm just back from visiting a location in the US. East coast, very tourist-driven economy and many restaurants and hospitality venues are only open Weds or Thurs-Sat as they're struggling for staff, due in large part to the administration's draconian immigration policies.

Exactly, find something that is being discussed (how to reduce immigration) and whip it up using all the bots and algorithms to create as much hate and division as possible. Meanwhile the greed and power obsessed billionaires can feed off the hate and despair.

It’s the old saying…divide and conquer. It’s no coincidence that Putin was in favour of Brexit.

And voila you disappear up your own fundament.

I don't think most people are blaming 'immigrants' for all our problems.
But they can see that immigration is causing some problems. For example, allowing large numbers of young men from cultures with very different attitudes to women to be free to hang around in our communities causes sexual harassment of young women and girls.

If you want to prevent the rise of 'far right' parties, calling people who are concerned about the problems caused by uncontrolled immigration 'thick as pigshit', is not a very effective way of proceeding. And it doesn't make you look very intelligent.

(By the way, I am half way through reading the AFD manifesto, and I agree with most of it so far. Until the last election, I'd always voted for 'left wing parties'. I've never believed that men can be women, all whites are racist, that offending people should be illegal, or that enforcing borders is breeching anyone's human rights. I must be 'far right'.)

Or the King...

You do realise migration and net migration are different things?

With this and the other similar posts is it really a few bots when it comes to say barracks nearby Piddington?

Ie you’d just think yeh ok you’re fine with this.

Oh yes, true haha. Rupert Lowe even refused to answer the question when asked by a journalist if the King qualified as a white Briton in his eyes. Great stuff.

I didn’t criticise daytime posters - else I’d be criticising myself.
But by all means keep banging that drum if you have nothing better to say.

And I never once called you far right.
Unless I’ve missed it, I can’t see anyone else calling you far right either.
But by all means carry on banging that drum too.

If you stop talking and listen to what people are saying then perhaps you wouldn’t have to make stuff up or get confused.

You don’t have to be far right to be concerned about mass illegal immigration (or a number of other things) but if you align yourselves with far right views, then you are far right.
Why is that difficult to understand?

The only sound basis for civilisation is to punish and reward people on the basis of what they do, not who they are.

So, it's you who doesn't understand the term. I thought that was the case.

Interesting, what are you thinking should happen? Should there be limits to the people arriving at all?

'If you stop talking and listen to what people are saying then perhaps you wouldn’t have to make stuff up or get confused'

I'm not confused. Do try to post without this constant insults. It doesn't help your argument you know and no, I'm not 'offended'.