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Rise of far right

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Sillyme1 · Today 07:00

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

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StandFirm · Today 12:21

LuckyHazelFox · Today 12:17

No but I did see a fascist there, who loves disrupting Reform conferences.

Whatever the woman's motives to heckle and disrupt, the way she was brutally manhandled was disgraceful. By the way, calling a heckler a fascist but simultaneously refusing to call a horde of balaclava'd men who disrupted public services 'fascists' reveals shocking double standards.

EasternStandard · Today 12:22

Gloriia · Today 12:20

The far right is anyone who doesn't want undocumented, unvetted men entering the country illegally in their hundreds. That's it, the new definition apparently!

But no one wants this remember... Or do they. But some get the labels lobbed.

Gloriia · Today 12:22

'So why would I insult people at home during the day when I am obviously one of them - make it make sense'

Exactly. Glad you get it. Maybe ask for mnhq to withdraw the comments about 'those posters', sahp, disabled people etc?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 12:23

LuckyHazelFox · Today 12:17

No but I did see a fascist there, who loves disrupting Reform conferences.

Are you talking about the poor woman who was assaulted by Reform supporters while Farage stood on stage laughing?

I guess freedom of speech isn't that popular amongst Reform supporters after all.

moonraker0 · Today 12:23

Contain4 · Today 11:38

Why do you keep avoiding the question.

It’s really not a difficult one.

Why were you not at the protests on the weekend?

If you think these men did the right thing and you whole heartedly agree with their stance and the way they handled things - why were you not by their sides supporting them?

The truth is you will not go to one of these protests because you would not feel safe (and I don’t blame you).

Women do not go to these protests because these men are dangerous and you would fear that you would be sexually assaulted, raped or simply attacked.

These men do not care about women and children and the proof is in the pudding because there are never (or hardly any) women present.

Too much immigration is an important topic that needs addressing.
But we do not need aggressive, violent, women-hating far right men doing it for us.

I didn’t go to the protests at the weekend because I’m not in the country at the moment but I have been to the protests in London and felt extremely safe.

I wonder if the women in Afghanistan feel safe when they are out on the streets? Oh wait, I forgot that they are not allowed outside unless they have permission from their husband, please do keep telling me how bad the men are in the UK though when we walk outside freely here and don’t have to obtain permission to do so. If anyone is woman hating it’s the men coming in on boats because they are from a culture where women are not even second class citizens.

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:23

soddingspiderseason · Today 12:17

No, just beating up a female protester. Utterly vile behaviour. From the party that “cares about women and girls”. They don’t need to wear a particular item of clothing to display violence and intolerance.

Apparently the 'victim' of that attack hasn't contacted West Midlands Police about it, even though they have asked her to come forward.
I wonder why ?

Gloriia · Today 12:23

'And no of course I don’t want hundreds of undocumented, unvetted men entering the country - why would I? When have I ever said that I do?'

Well you're far right then. Thems the lefties rules sorry.

Lifeomars · Today 12:24

newstartforjune26 · Today 12:11

I see lots of liberals being interviewed on camera recently saying that’s they’d happily take a migrant in until one pops round the corner with his worldly goods and all of a sudden their house is too small / flooded etc. amazing viewing.

Could you post a link please, I'd be interested in seeing this, thank you

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:25

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · Today 12:23

Are you talking about the poor woman who was assaulted by Reform supporters while Farage stood on stage laughing?

I guess freedom of speech isn't that popular amongst Reform supporters after all.

To repeat my post at 12.23.
"Apparently the 'victim' of that attack hasn't contacted West Midlands Police about it, even though they have asked her to come forward.
I wonder why ?"

Pange79 · Today 12:25

soddingspiderseason · Today 08:03

There is another thread on here that is dripping with far right rhetoric about “invaders”, resistance, being “overrun”. Its abhorrent, so yes I am concerned that people are supporting this vile ideology.

Google response is that 19% of uk population is foreign born and 40% of newborns have at least one foreign born parent. 'Overrun' is not a completely inaccurate word, especially in some areas where the whole demographic and culture has changed. We've had muslim MPs standing up in parliament arguing for blasphemy laws to protect Islamic texts. How will that call get stronger over the next decades? I don't want my children to grow up in a country where free speech has been eroded and critical thinking isn't allowed in case it offends someone. Maybe you've been living somewhere which hasn't seen the massive demographic and cultural change yet but eventually you will.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 12:25

Gloriia · Today 12:23

'And no of course I don’t want hundreds of undocumented, unvetted men entering the country - why would I? When have I ever said that I do?'

Well you're far right then. Thems the lefties rules sorry.

😆 🤣

Lifeomars · Today 12:27

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:23

Apparently the 'victim' of that attack hasn't contacted West Midlands Police about it, even though they have asked her to come forward.
I wonder why ?

That's strange, there is so much footage, why do you think this is?

amber763 · Today 12:28

Do you think people are far right because of their concerns about immigration, rapes and rise in crime?

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:28

echt · Today 12:12

When did that happen? Do you have a link to the programme?

See my post at 12.21.

CouldICopeWithAnotherPuppy · Today 12:29

Goatsarebest · Today 12:05

Again, her words, her experience. You don't know the Nationality of a group you find intimidating. She's made a point that is shared across the Country and tried to explain why she has moved to this position. We should be looking at why that shift has happened to millions of people and not trying to close it down with labels or over analyse how it was written. That's why people are increasingly reluctant to try and explain and why they increasingly turn to leadership they feel might understand them. Do you think that poster will post again like that. No, she'll become another supporter of the 'far right' because nobody is even trying to understand what she feels everyday living in her community.
That post was a reasonable attempt at explaining what is going on, but it got the usual response.
Time to consider that the usual response hasn't worked and maybe try something else.

Thanks for your support.

Yes I should have called them young, foreign men arriving with no skills and a poor attitude to woman. Arriving illegally and making locals feel intimidated.

If these men were white and had all the same attributes I would also want them stopped.

However since it is black/brown young, foreign men with no skills and a poor attitude to woman I shortened it.

I'm pretty sure most people knew what I meant.

And you are right it is making me (and others like me) go further to the right.

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:29

Lifeomars · Today 12:24

Could you post a link please, I'd be interested in seeing this, thank you

See my post at 12.21

newstartforjune26 · Today 12:29

Lifeomars · Today 12:24

Could you post a link please, I'd be interested in seeing this, thank you

Just social media clips.

But being asked directly - ‘would you take someone in?’ ‘yes’, then someone pops their head around the corners.

Ive seen one couple and two older middle aged while women. No way to verify if true but amusing all the same.

ThisDandyWriter · Today 12:30

Contain4 · Today 08:35

I won’t ‘bitch you’

But can you explain how a small boat has made you come second?

In what way has it affected your life personally and made you as a British person come second their needs?

It is important that people hear exactly how these small boats are impacting on real people’s lives.

One of my friends know the woman in Brighton who was raped by those 3 men whi were recently jailed.

i think it’s fair to say her life has been changed (fucking ruined) by those men.

everyone loving in the uk has had their lives changed (for the worse) because if that money wasn’t being spent on housing illegal asylum seekers, it would be spent on services or to lower taxes.

Lemonraider · Today 12:30

JHound · Today 12:09

She mentions melanin multiple times in her reference to Black and Brown men.

(Also to claim skin colour as a way of referring to people was introduced to Britain by immigrants as a means of counting people is so laughable.)

Edited

Using "melanin" is your attempt to patronise.

We count skin colour and thnicity because immigrants demanded it. Do you laugh at the immigrants that demanded this every time you tick your box on a monitoring form?

Contain4 · Today 12:31

LuckyHazelFox · Today 12:21

I don't think your insult landed the way you intended. I'm in no doubt though of the reactions to it, that we can't see. The thing about people complaining about intolerance and racism, is that they need to make sure they don't veer off a discussion to make insulting remarks. It can safely be concluded, that would make one a hypocrite.

So you think I insulted myself (and everyone posting on this thread) so that I get likes off people that no one else can see???

Make it make sense.

A couple of posters got offended.
The majority did not.
I wonder why.

You have to ask yourself why you would take such a general post, that barely anyone got offended over to heart.

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 12:31

HermioneWeasley · Today 07:07

Yes, but the comparison is not the same

there is and never had been any problems caused by Jewish people. I think there is a legitimate conversation to have about immigration, and successive governments’ complete inability to assess those issues or even permit conversation about it has given oxygen to right wing parties.

Britain is a very centrist and tolerant country but also has a strong sense of fairness. The state of the Uk at the moment doesn’t feel fair. 2 years ago the population voted to get rid of the conservatives because they were failing. They didnt actually swing to the left and choose Labour, it was just a rejection of the failing party in power.

the situation is recoverable but will take some tough choices. Labour have shown they’re not prepared to do that - the mildest of welfare reform was utterly rejected by the party.

there is and never had been any problems caused by Jewish people....

May I continue?

there is and never had been any problems caused by English people
there is and never had been any problems caused by American people
there is and never had been any problems caused by Indian people
there is and never had been any problems caused by Russian people
there is and never had been any problems caused by Finnish people

Please feel free to continue this idiotic list....

5128gap · Today 12:32

LuckyHazelFox · Today 12:17

No but I did see a fascist there, who loves disrupting Reform conferences.

The woman who was pulled off her chair and attacked was trying to unfurl a banner saying "Farage works for billionaires". Which tbf is a fairly mainstream view. She didn't get a chance to actually speak. She is a member of Climate Resistance who also heckled Reeves at the Labour conference. The group don't have a reputation for violent disorder and seem fairly even handed in challenging politicians from all shades.

Goldenbear · Today 12:34

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:25

To repeat my post at 12.23.
"Apparently the 'victim' of that attack hasn't contacted West Midlands Police about it, even though they have asked her to come forward.
I wonder why ?"

Who knows but I find it shocking to see that level of violence at the Reform conference. I don't understand what's centrist about that Jenrick's "boohoo" reaction to the incident- what a gentleman! Personally, I find that reaction morally repugnant!

Jollygreygiantess · Today 12:34

Lifeomars · Today 12:27

That's strange, there is so much footage, why do you think this is?

I have no idea.

I think I saw her being interviewed by Talk TV outside the main hall at B'ham. She said she had bruises (which she didn't show the camera) and her hair was pulled and that one of the Security guards stood on her hand when they were trying to lift her off the floor to carry her out.
So, it would be logical to have presented herself to the nearest cop-shop a.s.a.p. before the bruises faded.
So far, crickets.

Icedvanillacoffee · Today 12:34

Whether or not Reform supporters or even people who post on Mumsnet are racist is simply not the point. Racists are allowed to vote as well.
Currently this issue which could easily decide who forms the next government of this country is being given to the right by our present government. And this is because the people who lead it and who led the last one and the one before that have crossed their fingers and hoped it would go away. Either sensible experienced politicians and civil servants deal with this issue or inexperienced and in Mr Farage's case clearly corrupt politicians will.