Rise of far right

[Sillyme1]

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

But on the money.

Yes, but this is what happens when important issues are ignored, downplayed and the people raising them get shouted down as racists and bigots.

This is what's happening in Germany now. It was entirely predictable by anyone who didn't have their heads buried in the sand.

There is no far right. Instead we've been suffering under far left extremism for decades. The open borders extremism of Western governments despite constantly promising at the ballot box to reduce immigration is driving the population to distraction. If voting does not work what are people supposed to do?

With regard to the boats, the hotels and posting the illegals all around the country to villages and market towns it is very hard for the government to justify what it’s doing (and not doing) in moral terms. We know these aren’t real asylum seekers, we know some will commit crimes, some may even be terrorists, and at best they’ll cause massive social unrest and be a welfare burden for the rest of their lives. Thus the government is failing in its basic duty to keep citizens safe.

And even if all that wasn’t true, the British people have clearly expressed for years that they don’t want these migrants here, so the government is also ignoring the will of the people. Hence if what the government is doing is legal, then clearly those laws are wrong. It can’t in any meaningful sense be legal to flood the country with dangerous illegal migrants.

On this issue our government is illegitimate on every level. I expect the protests to get bigger and more organised with the whole NGO/state apparatus that facilitates this being targeted.

But it’s a fair question. Why is the skin tone of her neighbours so relevant? She did not mention changes to do with national origin but simply skin tone. Why are we required to just glaze over that?

There are also black and brown Britons who are concerned about migration levels and rapid cultural change but reducing it to skin tone alienates them from the topic (and also suggests that if the rapid demographic change was due to white skinned Europeans or Kiwis they would be fine with it.)

Why is it ok for the PP to voice their discomfort with her neighbours skin tone but not ok for us to voice our discomfort with her focus on skin tone?

I don’t want the boats coming anymore, basically all of the uk doesn’t hence reform getting so many supporters. That doesn’t make us far right, or racist.

We're European in UK too. We're all Europeans together. But thanks for letting us know.

My mom said the goverment are being paid to take the illegal immigrants, didn’t believe her but thinking about it, I wouldn’t be suprised if that is the case.

Not far right just common sense is finally returning hopefully just in time!

Its very difficult to get a handle on whether 'people' are really angry though isn't it, and if they are, about what.
All we really know is that 46% of the electorate see immigration as an important issue, but only 20% see it a top issue. And that of that 20% a tiny minority are protesting.
Because that minority are extremely vocal and prone to the sort of violent disorder that makes the news, and are messaging heavily they are 'the voice of the people' its easy to be misled into thinking the UK population as a whole is 'furious' about immigration, rather than simply concerned alongside a concern for a number of other priorities.
When Starmer spoke of the rise of the right, I don't believe he was suggesting the whole electorate has become far right. We know from the polls they have not. I think he was speaking of the increased platform the actual far right are getting and the threat this poses to our safety and democracy.

Read your history before you come out with inaccurate comments.

Thank you for proving my point.

I love how some posters pretend to get insulted and feel ‘personally attacked’ when they cant answer a question without looking stupid.

Why come on a discussion thread if you’re going to pretend to be insulted everytime you disagree with a poster but can’t think of anything to say.

I personally think this is such an important topic and so many people say they’ve not been heard and so it’s so important to discuss it and hear people’s views.
But that’s tricky when people get offended over ‘hurty words’

(although I never said anything offensive, if you took offence to it then that says more about you and how you view your life)

Define 'common sense'?

I think the scale and pace of demographic change is unprecedented.
i live somewhere where 50 years ago according to an older friend, the community was pretty homogeneous, people knew each other and many socialized together .
Now I can walk down our local high street and not hear English spoken. People largely keep to their own communities - cafes, places of worship, housing areas.
Many immigrants have made huge contributions to this country but I feel there are people are arriving now who won’t do that, will be a drain on resources.

really?

What a weird definition of centralist.

This.

I’m not proving anything for you. I really don’t see the point in engaging with anyone who goes on about shifts, bots, right wingers etc. as they’re clearly only looking for one view, BlueSky is probably better.

I want to read more than just the left’s take, so happy for people to keep posting.

Very incorrect , there’s a whole lot of scholarship on how the current climate of popularism isn’t just ‘democracy in action’ and is threatening to democracy

The whole point of my thread is the people in my community (and others) is changing quite dramatically. A big noticable increase in single black men talking loudly in a foreign language.

Of course you already knew that but were trying to be a smart ass.

We are all from the UK (most of MN is anyway).

Why do you think we don’t care about OUR country, where we and our children have to live?

We want limitations on immigration and we want feel safe in our country, just as much as those men protesting pretend they do.

We just also aren’t racist, ableist, ageist or sexist with it.

And yes it does make you far right if you go around calling yourself far right - that’s kind of the point.

I'd have felt safe. We can't all drop everything and dash to Dover can we?

Your sneery comments about 'daytime posters' not having friends jobs or hobbies seem to miss the the fact that you too are a 'daytime poster'

So, speak for yourself, sorry if you're friendless but the rest of us will have full active flexible schedules.

No actually I don’t know why their race is relevant. If your concern is lots of people speaking foreign language why is skin tone relevant to that?

Roland Barthes was on the money when he said: “We know that the war against intelligence is always waged in the name of common sense.” Mythologies.

It usually means "what I think".

Ah, so you are endorsing personal insults. Thought so.

Bear in mind that to the elite in power the rest of us are all 'lower orders'. They mean us when they mean the hoi polloi.

Yes.