Rise of far right

[Sillyme1]

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

You’re posting on ‘shifts’ too then? Fine go for it.

’Right-wingers’ and the rest it’s nonsense.

If you think that spectacularly missing the point by feigning literal mindedness makes you appear clever… that’s sad.

Que?

You mention race a lot in your post. Why do you keep mentioning the melanin levels of your neighbours? Why does it matter?

I take it we can start to speculate about posters' personal attributes next? No because they are as relevant to the discussion as their work/friend situations.

The election results in Saxony Anhalt is not exactly shocking (though sobering and saddening), it has been a long time coming.

To those who are not familiar with the wider context, Saxony Anhalt is in East Germany, which was a communist state from 1949 to 1990. There must have some positives for people living in the German Democratic Republic but it was a completely totalitarian regime, you had to live by party rule. This was a society where neighbours spied on each other and parents reported and betrayed their own children for trying to flee to the West / being an enemy of the state. People ended up in prison for decades or killed just for having a difference in opinion and not being good communists. Remember they went seamlessly from one extreme and inhumane regime (Nazis) to another (Communists) and the families who lived through and participated in decades of totalitarian politics went on to raise the generations that followed and that are now voting.

Not everyone from Eastern Germany was happy about reunification and unfortunately and eastern Germany has always had problems with xenophobia since the wall came down. While AfD is unfortunately getting more popular in other areas in Germany too it's worthwhile knowing that this vote happened in a particular social and political context.

Are you just interjecting without reading the posts, it’s a bit pointless. Scroll back.

Not sure what point you're making here.

Britain can be racist and still have people moving here. Loads of people moved to the USA during its Jim Crow years.

Why do you keep avoiding the question.

It’s really not a difficult one.

Why were you not at the protests on the weekend?

If you think these men did the right thing and you whole heartedly agree with their stance and the way they handled things - why were you not by their sides supporting them?

The truth is you will not go to one of these protests because you would not feel safe (and I don’t blame you).

Women do not go to these protests because these men are dangerous and you would fear that you would be sexually assaulted, raped or simply attacked.

These men do not care about women and children and the proof is in the pudding because there are never (or hardly any) women present.

Too much immigration is an important topic that needs addressing.
But we do not need aggressive, violent, women-hating far right men doing it for us.

I think the poster is being ironic maybe?

Hard to tell because I know plenty of people with this mindset. They think Britain has no culture of its own, it's only an amalgam of other cultures which of course are enormously rich and diverse.

And Britain (England in particular), having no culture of its own, apart from a few things that are boring and naff, should be grateful to these other cultures for bringing to us their rich diversity.

Can you quote a poster making light of the immigration problem then?

Because I genuinely can’t see any but admit I might have missed it.

I cant stand the man. He seems like a bit of a creep.

You’re asking and answering in the same post. I’m not giving you the answer to your repeated question because your initial posts on the thread were to insult, and beyond that it’s pointless.

I do not think that the UK is a racist country. I think that liberals lack bigger picture / critical thinking skills (the woman from the Green Party in question time who was astounded that open borders might lead to issues with housing).

The women of Iran and Afghanistan didn’t willingly lose all of their rights overnight. They went with a party with seemingly liberal views and gradually were taken over by a culture that is harmful to women. The suicide stats in Afghanistan are mostly women, bucking the trend of the rest of the world.

The issue is the woolly open borders / one world thinking is leading us down the same path. It takes radical people to scream and shout to make people sit up and take notice. I wish we could round table it and come up with workable fair solutions but we in this country are so ashamed of our past and being called racist that we do not look after our own interests and put everyone else above ourselves.

The most deprived people in this country are young white men, who get told of their privilege whilst sitting in their parents council house, the third generation not to work.

The world has gone mad and it’s going to take a massive overcorrection to put it back on course.

Rape of adolescents has been all but legalised if you are from one demographic and if that doesn’t make you want to take to the streets, I do not care about anything else you think or say.

I’m with Kemi, these cultures are incompatible of our way of life and I for one am not willing to sacrifice a generation of young girls whilst they learn that rape is not okay.

If anyone thinks that this is racist… I’m not sure what to say.

Of course you don't.

If only they were being ironic.
I think it's the best they can do.

Who’s mystified? I have seen many, many comments saying they don’t like Sadiq Khan because he is a Muslim, usually on Reform supporting pages/posts but wan’t Laila to be the Mayor although she is also Muslim. Of course if they dislike him for other reasons, rather than just because he is a Muslim fair do’s!

Im more than happy to listen to views that differ from mine, regardless of skin colour, don’t you agree?

This post sums it up for me. The original post was expressing genuine concerns about how she and others felt because of the change on the demographs of her community. Maybe not how all of us would express it, but they are her words. The context was set about the poster being a law abiding middle aged educated women who worked and participated in her community all her life but is now drawn to a position she never had before. A brave post in the context of the current debate. These are very pertinent facts for this debate, which is why the 'far right' is gaining support.

But the response is to highlight how many times she said Black and Brown, imply she is a racist and tell her how to express herself. Wrapped up with a bit of virtue signalling and patting on the head from the responder.
No attempt to try and understand her position or even give to rationale debate. Just labelling. Polite labelling, I'll give them that.
Then the 'spreading fear' bit.
Maybe, just maybe, there is genuine fear in some communities and it doesn't need 'spreading'.
This wasn't a rabid ideological response, but it shows the embedded nature of where we are right now. You are wrong if you don't agree with me.d
Entrenched and divisive positions are far more dangerous to our society than an election in Germany.

Maybe instead of calling people far right and trying to silence them, when they are rightly concerned about the state of this country, we should be addressing these issues.
I find it alarming that the police were just waiting on the shores with tents, clothing and supplies rather than preventing these boats from coming here in the first place. It suggests there is more to this and we really should be concerned.
If you look at the statistics for violent crimes they are on the rise and most have been committed by people coming here illegally.
Yet the government continues to blame people protesting those coming here illegally and label them as thugs and the illegals as victims? Why is that?

Oops posted twice, but may as well mention the Henry nowak case.. Have we really gotten to the point where political correctness is treating the victims as the perpetrator?
Not comparing that to the Portsmouth incident yesterday, but it's something to think about, not to mention the pitiful sentences for rapes where victims have been afraid to come forward as they are basically accused of being racist.

European here. Yes, the AfD is worrying, but if I were in the UK I'd be worried about the black-clad men blocking roads out of Dover at the moment?

Another sanctimonious condescending insulter.

Exactly the opposite is true. Any reasonably moderate policy in the UK is described as 'leftist', when a generation ago it would have been seen as on the centre.

People like you are misleading those who aren't old enough to remember this.

YABVU and people like you are the problem.

There are problems but you are exaggerating for your own purposes. Not all foreigners are bad people. It just needs to be controlled better.