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Rise of far right

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Sillyme1 · Today 07:00

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

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echt · Today 11:25

Newbutoldfather · Today 11:16

@echt ,

‘That's what you think about you, but it's not the definition of a native population.’

Correct, that is what I think. That’s kind of the whole point of this site.

There isn’t such a thing as ‘the definition’ to suit all contexts. However, I would be curious as to how you would define it.

I don’t actually have a problem with the cricket test used metaphorically and not literally. If a country has no set of shared references or values, I don’t think it will ever succeed as a country.

Of course, it succeeds for the metropolitan elite, as they have shared international values. I mean who cares if you know who is on the plinth in Trafalgar Square or about the premier league if you know about what is best to order at Nobu, can talk knowledgeably about international politics and finance, and travel first class and stay in Four Seasons resorts?! That is your commonality then and it works in Hong Kong, Singapore, New York etc, as well as London. You are a ‘citizen of everywhere’z

However, that is not what the vast majority of the population can ever be or aspire to. You look at every successful country over decades (or even centuries) and they have national cultural references that they hold dear.

It is a very new (mainly British) left wing elite thing to ridicule people who take pride in being members of their own nation-patriots.

I've read what you say three times and it still doesn't make sense.

Blondiebeachbabe · Today 11:25

Not ONE person on this thread making light of our immigration problems, would up sticks tomorrow and move to Piddington.

NOT ONE.

It's so easy to say we don't have a problem when you're a NIMBY.

Whammyammy · Today 11:26

Im worried about the rise in the far right.
Im also worried about 1000s on unvetted young men illegally entering Europe.
Unfortunately the 2 go hand in hand

EasternStandard · Today 11:26

Contain4 · Today 11:23

We all know which posters I’m talking about.

There are many posters who work various shifts, don’t work due to disabilities or being SAHPs etc but we all know which posters I mean.

If you’re able have flexible working, how come you weren’t part of the protest over the weekend?

No idea who you mean. It’s more pointless insults from the left because it’s not what you want to see on a thread. People don’t agree with your view.

Contain4 · Today 11:26

LuckyHazelFox · Today 11:19

Making derogatory and presumptive remarks about posters' private circumstances is most certainly personally attacking them. They don't have to be named for that to be the case.

I never quoted you or named you, so why do you think I’d be speaking about you?

Its also not a personal attack to mention that certain times of the day has a different demographic of people.

Every summer holidays there are an influx of fake threads, due to the shift in demographics of posters.

Its not personal attacks and saying so makes you look like you’re trying to silence and report anyone who thinks differently to you.

Why were you not at the protest over the weekend?

Stairlifter · Today 11:26

CouldICopeWithAnotherPuppy · Today 11:13

No. I am however worried about remaining in this dire state of where we currently are.

I live in Scotland. Not in a big city. Chatting to hairdresser last week. She lives in a small village. Her local shop has black/brown men hanging about outside. She admits to feeling intimidated. On entering the shop they are playing prayer music. This is an ex mining village which is now being used it seems for these men coming across here.

I live in a bigger town about ten miles away and in recent weeks have noticed an increase in the numbers of young black men usually on their own talking loudly on their phones in a foreign language. A trip to the local park with the dog had me experiencing a surreal out of body feeling as everywhere I looked there was black/brown people. I live somewhere that traditionally would have almost none.
I actually started to feel like I was the only white person there.

The hairdresser told me two of her other customers that morning had both said similar things. They lived in different places to her and I but all within a non city part of Scotland. Her clients are mostly my age and older. So I'm white, in my fifties and retired from a professional job. She has lots of middle aged and older ladies as clients. Yes we are all noticing and we are all feeling frightened and angry.

I can't get a GP appointment because the NHS is falling apart (lets not kid ourselves).
Our young people can't get jobs. Our finances are dire. We have another short term PM (again lets not kid ourselves)

I feel utterly outraged at what is happening to this country and how we have no control it seems over our borders. I was reading about the protests last night and was firmly on the side on the men who were at least trying to show how lots of us feel. Of course that does not matter what we want. The police just 'did their jobs' and chased away the concerned citizens and welcomed the black, young men (not doubt with no skills) into our failing economy country.

I've never broken a law in my life. I did a very boring job after uni. I can actually see myself going on a protest soon for the first time in my life.

We need a restore government. Wanting to put your own citizens first is not 'far right'. It's just sensible. If we didn't have such a reputation for 'fairness' which lets be honest is now being touted round the world as complete bloody mugs with no ability to stand up for themselves.

If the IMF bail us out (which it seems they couldn't afford to do anyway) I hope at least an upside is the 'asylum seekers' (aye right!!) will stop coming.

Like the vast majority of people I have no issue with real asylum seekers applying to the UK for help. That is not what is going on here.

So what happens when our already shrinking police force can no longer control the amount of young black men they have let in here. We already know the police is struggling. Criminals are getting out of prison early. Frontline officers are already scarce and are leaving in droves due to the stress (source friend who is front line police officer). Should we just sit and wait until our country is actually being taken over by immigrants and we all just have to do what we are told.

Yes the Nazis did terrible things to the jews and you know what that just crept up on society bit by bit. Good people were concerned but too frightened to speak or take action. Now if feels like our own british citizens are being boiled like frogs except now the water is getting really hot despite us having years to get used to the decline.

If restore is what we need to vote for then bring it on. Or reform but I feel more in line with restore's policies having read them.

I am glad the german citizens are making a stand against problems in their own country. I hope we have the balls (or opportunity) to do the same.

I applaud the men who tried to take a stand last night.
I looked at the small line of police officers (who all seemed about twelve, small, skinny and not too convinced that they were on the right side) and for a brief moment I had a fantasy of them turning and joining our brave citizens and telling the young black men to get back in the water and fuck off. No, no, no. That wouldn't be 'nice'. That wouldn't be 'fair'. That wouldn't be 'tolerant'

Good on Germany for making a stand. Good on our men for trying to make a stand.

Your sincerely
White, middle aged, uni educated, retired woman.

I presume you would object to being labelled racist, but I think your post contained the words 'black' and 'brown' seven times. There is also a fantasy expressed about telling some black men to fuck off.

I can't see into your head so I don't know your true intent. But if I were to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you weren't an out and out racist, I would appeal to you to try and express yourself in a way which didn't terrify non-white people who may be your friends, neighbours or other good citizens of our country.

LoveItaly · Today 11:27

Lemonraider · Today 10:58

There's no native population in Britain. Anyone from anywhere in the world is British, there's millions of unborn people in every country in the world that are British, British just means person from anywhere. The other 199 countries all have their own people but not Britain, it has always been populated by the entire planet and there are no native people at all, it's always been a Pakistani, Indian, Romanian, African and Arab country. The words Pakistani, Indian, Middle Eastern and African simply mean British and always have done for millennia, since time began. Native people have never lived here, it's always been the case that the majority of babies born here were from other countries, in fact the United Kingdom isn't actually a country at all, it's simply a suburb of Pakistan India Africa and the middle east. The word country doesn't apply to Britain, only the rest of the world's countries.

Great analysis. I expect this will soon be taught in our schools, if it’s not done already. It’s tragic that some on this thread won’t find your post that troubling.

MrsShawnHatosy · Today 11:27

Zonder · Today 07:31

You know Nazism was never just about Jews right? It was also about Roma, Slavs, black people, disabled people, Communists, socialists.

You're reinforcing acceptance of a similar ideology by pretending it's ok because it's not about the Jews this time.

Gays and those with mental disabilities were also systematically murdered.

EasternStandard · Today 11:27

Blondiebeachbabe · Today 11:25

Not ONE person on this thread making light of our immigration problems, would up sticks tomorrow and move to Piddington.

NOT ONE.

It's so easy to say we don't have a problem when you're a NIMBY.

Any takers?

Contain4 · Today 11:28

EasternStandard · Today 11:26

No idea who you mean. It’s more pointless insults from the left because it’s not what you want to see on a thread. People don’t agree with your view.

Edited

It’s not insulting to say that the thread will shift later on because that’s what happens.

Why were you not at the protests?

NotMeAtAll · Today 11:28

LeavingAtLast · Today 11:04

By end of last year, Jews were targeted at 8.8 times the rate of Muslims, per head (hate crime stats, gov.uk). Don’t say ignorant things or downplay antisemitism, it’s catching.

How is it downplaying antisemitism to say that anti-muslim and anti-immigrant ideology is driving the rise of the far right in Europe this time. Do you disagree with that?

echt · Today 11:29

Blondiebeachbabe · Today 11:25

Not ONE person on this thread making light of our immigration problems, would up sticks tomorrow and move to Piddington.

NOT ONE.

It's so easy to say we don't have a problem when you're a NIMBY.

Absolutely no-one has made light of immigration on this thread.

EasternStandard · Today 11:29

Contain4 · Today 11:28

It’s not insulting to say that the thread will shift later on because that’s what happens.

Why were you not at the protests?

It’s the usual insult from the left in each of your posts so far. You won’t see all the same views, go to BlueSky if that’s wanted instead.

panolar · Today 11:30

5128gap · Today 11:23

The government is worried. Starmer described the far right as 'a very real threat' and Burnham has said many times over he feels successive governments have failed people.

I have no doubt that they are concerned. For their own political futures I reckon! However, talk is cheap, so have they outlined any policy initiatives, any engagement with the public, any positive spin for people, any comfort blanket?

That's rhetorical, I'm obviously not asking YOU about this!

Time for talking and hand wringing is over now. People are getting very angry. Whether that is justified or not doesn't matter, there needs to be a re balancing and focus on people's QOL in all respects.

Lemonraider · Today 11:30

echt · Today 11:03

Oh dear.

There's no arguing with that. It's so very wrong in every way.

The words Pakistani, Indian, Middle Eastern and African simply mean British and always have done for millennia, since time began.

Are you on glue? Do you have any concept of history? Or even time?

Of course I do but you couldn't even notice the word mostly in front of homogenous. Your enjoyment of sanctimony is to strong.

Marellain · Today 11:31

Stairlifter · Today 11:26

I presume you would object to being labelled racist, but I think your post contained the words 'black' and 'brown' seven times. There is also a fantasy expressed about telling some black men to fuck off.

I can't see into your head so I don't know your true intent. But if I were to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you weren't an out and out racist, I would appeal to you to try and express yourself in a way which didn't terrify non-white people who may be your friends, neighbours or other good citizens of our country.

You do actually sound quite evil. You sound brainwashed. The level of chill in your post is psychopathic. You don’t seem aware you are speaking to a fellow human being, a fellow woman, who is in distress.

your only concern is to protect imaginary poc who aren’t in this thread. Are you even capable of à moments self reflection?!

BirdsSinginInTheSycamoreTrees · Today 11:31

Stairlifter · Today 10:52

It is rare that I have seen anyone denounced as far right or racist who wasn't one or both of those things.

There are ways to voice reasonable concerns. Calmly and with factual backup. Very often people voice things in a way which is racist, and then object to being called out on it.

That's the point really, whole communities have worries based on actual lived experience being called racist for trying to highlight them, but by your opening sentence is it's rare they wouldn't be racist.
Who will they vote for if afraid to speak up? Worrying times.

JHound · Today 11:32

Mangelwurzelfortea · Today 11:04

The racist component has been more noticeable across all the threads recently. The advice given to posters in AIBU etc once it's ascertained that they're people of colour/in relationships with people of colour is often basically pretty racist.

The politics threads are just a sea of people/bots agreeing that Britain is being invaded by an army of fighting age rapists but you can't say that out loud because Andy Burnham's Thought Police will instantly transport you to the gulags.

True. There are certain threads now I know just to hide them. And it’s also a noticeable to frequently blame race and “culture” when perpetrators of crimes / negative events are non-white vs. white here.

BrandiedAromatics · Today 11:32

Daygloboo · Today 11:16

🤣 via his parents ? . Unless I was completely useless at biology at school, it's hard to think he'd be of Sri Lankan heritage via anybody else.

It was a quick edit to acknowledge that he is British. And definitely not Pakistani. 😉

ETA (I'll try to be more intelligent this time) I am uncomfortable with his videos complaining about the nature of church conversions and, as I said, we do not insist that people standing for Parliament have to be born here. Maybe, he would enjoy the US more with his opinions, oh wait a minute ....

Newbutoldfather · Today 11:32

@echt ,

‘I've read what you say three times and it still doesn't make sense.’

Then you either have poor reading comprehension or you are so stuck in your global mindset that you can’t even understand any other argument.

Rothburypixie · Today 11:32

Stairlifter · Today 11:02

This is why I don't get the whole Zia Yusuf thing. As if Reform's key demographic wouldn't have him on the first plane to Pakistan if they could. And yet he's their biggest public cheerleader!

And hate Sadiq Khan and don’t want a Muslim Mayor, but wan’t Laila Cunningham to run, who I believe is also a Muslim 🤷‍♀️

echt · Today 11:33

EasternStandard · Today 11:29

It’s the usual insult from the left in each of your posts so far. You won’t see all the same views, go to BlueSky if that’s wanted instead.

Jeez. No insult at all. It was an observation about the dynamics of posting on MN.

Right-wingers are all knuckle-dragging morons. Now that's an insult.

Contain4 · Today 11:33

Blondiebeachbabe · Today 11:25

Not ONE person on this thread making light of our immigration problems, would up sticks tomorrow and move to Piddington.

NOT ONE.

It's so easy to say we don't have a problem when you're a NIMBY.

I haven’t read anyone making light of the immigration problems?

Can you quote a couple as I must have missed them?

This thread is about the rise of the far right - that includes anti-immigration views, alongside other things like misogyny, ableism and racism.

But your question is redundant.
The Cotswolds is a beautiful place but I wouldn’t pick up sticks and move there tomorrow because I have a life, family, job, caring responsibilities etc here.

I don’t think anyone would pick up sticks and move anywhere tomorrow unless they were in an extremely unsafe situation, so you asked that particular question knowing that no one would agree to do it.
You know you would have gotten the same answer in any place you chose to say.

echt · Today 11:34

Newbutoldfather · Today 11:32

@echt ,

‘I've read what you say three times and it still doesn't make sense.’

Then you either have poor reading comprehension or you are so stuck in your global mindset that you can’t even understand any other argument.

Global mindset.

What does that even mean?

Marellain · Today 11:34

Rothburypixie · Today 11:32

And hate Sadiq Khan and don’t want a Muslim Mayor, but wan’t Laila Cunningham to run, who I believe is also a Muslim 🤷‍♀️

Do you feel it helps you to be mystified by those that think differently from you? Have you heard of trying to see the others point of view? Or do you only see the point of view of people with non white skin?

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