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Loo issue in the office

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Standingupstream · Yesterday 00:25

NC for this..
I work in an office with mainly women. There is one man who is senior to us, although he isn’t our manager, and he only started coming over to our office a few months ago.We only have one loo that we all share, and before he started working in our office, this was never an issue.
Now, about 30 minutes after arriving, he disappears into the loo for ages. When he finally comes out, the smell is absolutely suffocating. There’s no window, in the loo and the air fresheners just seem to make the whole thing even more vomit-inducing.
Then, a couple of hours later, he goes again. And again after lunch. And usually once more in the afternoon. This happens pretty much every time he’s in the office, which is around 3–4 days a week.
It has now become a running joke amongst us. If someone needs the loo and it’s occupied, we ask ( other people ) if it’s him, because we all know there’s absolutely no point even attempting to go in for at least half an hour. 😂
My DH actually uses a different loo at home because I hate a poo-smelling bathroom, but obviously if it happens occasionally I’m not exactly precious about it because he’s my DH. I just find it rather gross being subjected to this at work by a man I barely know. 😂

The problem is, we genuinely don’t know what to do about it. How on earth do you approach a grown man about the fact that his toilet habits are basically fumigating the entire office, without completely humiliating him?!
I actually started to worry if he has some serious stomach issues. That would be actually completely different matter.
How would you approach it? Or should we just leave it. We are becoming very cross about it.

OP posts:
AnnaNirvana2 · Yesterday 20:43

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 20:32

As people have said several times now, if he has urgency issues, it isn't going to be that simple as the disabled loo is further away.

That's not the problem for the women to solve. Women have many more issues to deal with than men. Incontinence and periods to name 2. Why should the needs of 1 new male member of staff override the needs of several women. Having myself been in this position in the past, I know only too well how difficult it can be. The terrible smell, the wet seat and floor and much worse. It's not right. This man needs to see a Doctor, or stop drinking beer and eating curry if he spends so much time in the loo. The time aline inconveniences everyone else.
Remember ladies, he is NOT your husband, brother, son, boss or responsibility. You are there to WORK, not play Nurse Kindcock to Mr Boghogger.

LlynTegid · Yesterday 20:43

Hope the better extraction fan is installed quickly and makes a difference.

Standingupstream · Yesterday 20:45

Ved · Yesterday 20:24

This is the most likely scenario.

I didn’t want to say anything about it because a lot of people here say that if they need to go they need to go otherwise they will have an accident.
But we are in the really small building. From his office, it probably takes 5 seconds to walk to the loo in the office. He doesn’t rush and often makes a small talk. To walk to the downstairs loo, probably extra 20 seconds. You literally come out of the office door, turn left and there is a staircase going down, turn the corner and there is the loo. Downstairs office is in the opposite direction down the corridor.
So I have a really hard time to believe that people who have a bowel urgency can always find a loo within a one minute window

OP posts:
TheEdgyMoose · Yesterday 20:45

Standingupstream · Yesterday 19:36

Thank you for the replies the helpful advice.
There is a lot of discussion here about legality or discrimination of employees with medical conditions. When I said this man is senior to us, I meant he is not an employee ( more like a partner in the company ). I don’t know if that makes him my employer ( his business employs me ) but it definitely makes him someone my colleagues and I or HR would not openly talk to about this issue. We don’t want to make things awkward in the office and we wouldn’t want to make him feel embarrassed or humiliated. Or maybe he doesn’t give a shit ( no pun intended).
Anyway, my manager had a meeting with our site manager and she is organising inspection of the office loo and hopefully installation of better extraction fan.

This is a good outcome and I hope it helps. Now maybe find something else to joke about with your colleagues.

ShizIsWicked · Yesterday 20:49

ThisAutumnTown · Yesterday 01:06

OP I genuinely feel for you.
I’m very sensitive to smells and I’d really struggle in your situation but I honestly don’t think there’s anything you could do.
No matter which way you approach this, he’ll end up humiliated and it’ll cause a horrible environment for everyone to work in.
buy some poo-pouri spray and spray it in the loo throughout the day.

As someone who is sensitive to smells, wouldn't you just use the disabled toilet that no one uses? I am really confused by this whole thread lol

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 20:52

Standingupstream · Yesterday 01:04

There is an extractor fan but it doesn’t seem to work

Well there you go..you target no one..ask management to fix or upgrade the extractor fan

Standingupstream · Yesterday 20:52

TheEdgyMoose · Yesterday 20:45

This is a good outcome and I hope it helps. Now maybe find something else to joke about with your colleagues.

Well we do joke and laugh a lot as we are a good team but perhaps I used a wrong turn of the word in my post. We don’t laugh and joke about it behind his back, maybe trying to make the situation a bit lighter

OP posts:
TheEdgyMoose · Yesterday 20:56

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 19:52

My son has bowel issues due to cancer too but with him, it was his small bowel.

It makes me think that maybe he should just be a NEET when he gets older, go on PIP and not even attempt to work with his disability. Of course, plenty of people whinge about that too.

If it's any reassurance, I have found people in real life to be much more understanding than this thread might suggest.

TheEdgyMoose · Yesterday 20:57

Standingupstream · Yesterday 20:52

Well we do joke and laugh a lot as we are a good team but perhaps I used a wrong turn of the word in my post. We don’t laugh and joke about it behind his back, maybe trying to make the situation a bit lighter

Thank you for clarifying. I sincerely hope this can be sorted for all concerned. I appreciate it's an unpleasant situation.

Alucard55 · Yesterday 20:57

You could hang magic trees?

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 20:58

AnnaNirvana2 · Yesterday 20:43

That's not the problem for the women to solve. Women have many more issues to deal with than men. Incontinence and periods to name 2. Why should the needs of 1 new male member of staff override the needs of several women. Having myself been in this position in the past, I know only too well how difficult it can be. The terrible smell, the wet seat and floor and much worse. It's not right. This man needs to see a Doctor, or stop drinking beer and eating curry if he spends so much time in the loo. The time aline inconveniences everyone else.
Remember ladies, he is NOT your husband, brother, son, boss or responsibility. You are there to WORK, not play Nurse Kindcock to Mr Boghogger.

The fact he's a man is irrelevant if he has a disability. It isn't for OP or any of his colleagues to solve but it does mean that they have to tread carefully.

He may already be involved with a doctor and it may also have nothing to do with alcohol. No one knows.

Gloriia · Yesterday 20:59

Standingupstream · Yesterday 20:45

I didn’t want to say anything about it because a lot of people here say that if they need to go they need to go otherwise they will have an accident.
But we are in the really small building. From his office, it probably takes 5 seconds to walk to the loo in the office. He doesn’t rush and often makes a small talk. To walk to the downstairs loo, probably extra 20 seconds. You literally come out of the office door, turn left and there is a staircase going down, turn the corner and there is the loo. Downstairs office is in the opposite direction down the corridor.
So I have a really hard time to believe that people who have a bowel urgency can always find a loo within a one minute window

Yes the not rushing and stopping to chat isn't someone with a bowel disease about to soil himself.

He is just lazy and inconsiderate. If you aren't comfortable having the conversation ask your manager to tell him to show some consideration and do the 20 sec walk to the further toilet. Ugh. If he was my dh I'd be horrified at his lack of awareness.

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 21:02

TheEdgyMoose · Yesterday 20:56

If it's any reassurance, I have found people in real life to be much more understanding than this thread might suggest.

So far it hasn't been too bad to be fair but he's only just started his last year at primary school. I'm already dreading high school and the latter years to be honest.

ShizIsWicked · Yesterday 21:08

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 21:02

So far it hasn't been too bad to be fair but he's only just started his last year at primary school. I'm already dreading high school and the latter years to be honest.

I am hoping for the best for your son.

Please don't take this post as the an example of the real world. I actually worked with someone that had a problem, people realised he had a routine and we just ensured went before 10am. I am also suspecting that this post is not exactly what it seems. There are a fair few contradictions in it. For example - it's ludicrous for OP to use the disabled toilets as someone disabled may need it but it's fine for the "accused" to stink them out? Then there's the times he does or doesn't take, the naked situation and the affair, not sure if he is a manager etc.... I have read far too much on this lol

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 21:14

ShizIsWicked · Yesterday 21:08

I am hoping for the best for your son.

Please don't take this post as the an example of the real world. I actually worked with someone that had a problem, people realised he had a routine and we just ensured went before 10am. I am also suspecting that this post is not exactly what it seems. There are a fair few contradictions in it. For example - it's ludicrous for OP to use the disabled toilets as someone disabled may need it but it's fine for the "accused" to stink them out? Then there's the times he does or doesn't take, the naked situation and the affair, not sure if he is a manager etc.... I have read far too much on this lol

Thanks. I really appreciate it.

Gemilo · Yesterday 21:34

Standingupstream · Yesterday 00:54

I forgot to mention in my original post there is another loo on the ground floor which is disabled loo. All of us in the office just use the loo in the office, about 15 people. I don’t mind sharing with the men but would you suggest that maybe he could use the downstairs loo? I am obviously aware he might have some condition and I made that clear in the OP. The question is that would you say something or just leave it? So please don’t jump on me about different medical conditions because I understand that!

Why don’t you use the downstairs loo?

Standingupstream · Yesterday 21:52

ShizIsWicked · Yesterday 21:08

I am hoping for the best for your son.

Please don't take this post as the an example of the real world. I actually worked with someone that had a problem, people realised he had a routine and we just ensured went before 10am. I am also suspecting that this post is not exactly what it seems. There are a fair few contradictions in it. For example - it's ludicrous for OP to use the disabled toilets as someone disabled may need it but it's fine for the "accused" to stink them out? Then there's the times he does or doesn't take, the naked situation and the affair, not sure if he is a manager etc.... I have read far too much on this lol

What are you implying? I was trying to be vague and not derail my post with irrelevant information. I’m sorry if my post sound ludicrous to you

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Ved · Yesterday 21:58

AnnaNirvana2 · Yesterday 20:43

That's not the problem for the women to solve. Women have many more issues to deal with than men. Incontinence and periods to name 2. Why should the needs of 1 new male member of staff override the needs of several women. Having myself been in this position in the past, I know only too well how difficult it can be. The terrible smell, the wet seat and floor and much worse. It's not right. This man needs to see a Doctor, or stop drinking beer and eating curry if he spends so much time in the loo. The time aline inconveniences everyone else.
Remember ladies, he is NOT your husband, brother, son, boss or responsibility. You are there to WORK, not play Nurse Kindcock to Mr Boghogger.

Brilliant post! Grin Especially the last line! Nurse Kindcock! 😂 And Mr Boghogger! 😆

It is 15 other (nearly all female) members of staff though.

So yeah, why should this ONE precious entitled man's 'needs' (or desires more like) trump those of all these women?!

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nowimabeliever · Yesterday 21:58

You can’t stop someone from using the loo! Just go downstairs and use the other one.

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 22:00

AnnaNirvana2 · Yesterday 20:43

That's not the problem for the women to solve. Women have many more issues to deal with than men. Incontinence and periods to name 2. Why should the needs of 1 new male member of staff override the needs of several women. Having myself been in this position in the past, I know only too well how difficult it can be. The terrible smell, the wet seat and floor and much worse. It's not right. This man needs to see a Doctor, or stop drinking beer and eating curry if he spends so much time in the loo. The time aline inconveniences everyone else.
Remember ladies, he is NOT your husband, brother, son, boss or responsibility. You are there to WORK, not play Nurse Kindcock to Mr Boghogger.

FFS!!

Ved · Yesterday 22:02

😂

Ved · Yesterday 22:03

Gemilo · Yesterday 21:34

Why don’t you use the downstairs loo?

Why doesn't HE?

!

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 22:12

Gloriia · Yesterday 18:36

I once worked with someone who had terrible B.O. Really unpleasant. I had similar excuses from colleagues then oh maybe he can't do his washing, maybe he doesn't have the energy, maybe he has medical problems that makes him smell.
He was just lazy and inconsiderate. Once told that everyone was sick of being subjected to the overpowering smell he developed the ability to wash himself and his clothes.

So yes fine op's colleague may have complex illnesses and potential soiling issues but I'd go for the most simplest explanation first, he cba to go further to a loo and he thinks his poo whiff doesn't overpower everyone. Once told that it is a problem he'll hopefully make an effort.

I think - hope - your posts are just rage bait. Because if they’re not it’s only a matter of time before you land in trouble because of your apparent lack of knowledge of the law around disability.

AllIneedAreMyFamilyandDogs · Yesterday 22:16

Standingupstream · Yesterday 20:45

I didn’t want to say anything about it because a lot of people here say that if they need to go they need to go otherwise they will have an accident.
But we are in the really small building. From his office, it probably takes 5 seconds to walk to the loo in the office. He doesn’t rush and often makes a small talk. To walk to the downstairs loo, probably extra 20 seconds. You literally come out of the office door, turn left and there is a staircase going down, turn the corner and there is the loo. Downstairs office is in the opposite direction down the corridor.
So I have a really hard time to believe that people who have a bowel urgency can always find a loo within a one minute window

They sometimes can't, and then they do like I do for my family member who has bowel urgency, and carry spare trousers in the back of the car 'just in case'. Haven't needed them, but the risk is there.

AnnaNirvana2 · Yesterday 22:45

Kirbert2 · Yesterday 20:58

The fact he's a man is irrelevant if he has a disability. It isn't for OP or any of his colleagues to solve but it does mean that they have to tread carefully.

He may already be involved with a doctor and it may also have nothing to do with alcohol. No one knows.

Edited

I stand by my comments. Why should women "tread carefully", pussyfoot around anyone, especially a man using women's facilities, swallow their own discomfort and centre HIS needs? In essence, putting their own needs second. We will never be treated as equals at this rate.

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