AIBU to think migrant sex crime data should be published? And to wonder why Labour are blocking the release of that data?

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Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

'Victims of serious crimes and their families have joined forces to demand that the Labour government publish detailed data on offences committed by foreign nationals, accusing ministers of withholding information that is “clearly and legitimately in the public interest”.

Among the signatories are victims of high-profile sexual offences and families of murder victims. One signatory is a 14-year-old victim of a sexual assault in Epping allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant, in the same Essex town where asylum seekers were housed at the controversial Bell Hotel.
Fiona Goddard, a survivor of rape-gang grooming who has campaigned publicly about her experiences, has also signed the letter.

Eight relatives of Rhiannon Whyte, a hotel worker murdered by a Sudanese national, are also among those backing the demand.'

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

We have enough scumbag, vile , evil, violent men here in the UK without importing any more from elsewhere

Do you not understand that these statistics are as they are currently because these crimes are based on opportunity and currently this is a fairly safe country. If lots of young men without any respect for the rule of law here suddenly appear then you can expect those percentages to change very drastically, just as they are drastically different in many of the countries from which these young men have come. For example, maybe read up about the women in Sudan who dare not leave the house because it is a daily occurrence that women are raped/ gang raped on their way to the farm/ market to buy groceries.

The statistics making it relatively safe compared to many other countries for women to walk around outside and participate in public life are not some unchangeable fact of physics, they are because of our culture and social norms and laws. If you change our society by dropping thousands of young men from a completely different culture with very different social norms and laws into the middle of it then why would you expect we can rely on the current prevalence of random attacks by strangers to remain static?

No reason, that I can remember,

The original post is a quote

Yes.

That’s quite some logical fallacy in your supposition but even if it was correct (per the data from abroad, it is not), are you trying to say that if it is Indian women or immigrant women in the UK being raped then it’s ok and we shouldn’t care?! So in your view increased rapes in our country are fine if they are not of white British women?

How am I defending them?

By showing statistics of rapes and SA in this country?

I have said I would welcome the sharing of the nationality etc data because too many people are being brainwashed from SM.

What data?

The crimes happened. Perhaps you’d like to say to Rhiannon Whyte’s family something about algorithms and brainwashing. It’s not great to dismiss them.

No I’m saying it doesn’t matter what race or nationality is, the statistics show that 90% of rapes and SA are caused by men that the victim knows.

So if you mainly know lots of white, British men and you get attacked- there’s a 90% chance it will be a a white British man.

If you mainly know lots of Japanese men, your attacker is more likely to be Japanese.

I don’t understand why a thread desperate for data has multiple posters completely ignoring the data that is already out there.

The data from charities such as Rape Crisis

From some countries that do publish data:

'Across Germany, Sweden, Denmark & Finland, migrants are 3.7x to 5.8x as likely as nationals to be suspected or convicted of rape. Non German nationals are 39.2% of rape & sexual assault suspects vs 14.8% of the population, 3.7x the German-national rate. In Sweden, 50.6% of those convicted of rape 2000-2020 were foreign-born vs a ~15% population share, 5.8x the Swedish-born rate.'

https://x.com/Smirkley/status/2093342477591707883

They all mean different things so it's unclear what statistics are being demanded or what use those demanding them think they would be.

Or like the data from the (immigration) riots where something like 3 in every 5 men arrested had convictions for violence /domestic violence- while 'protesting' about keeping our women/children/families safe!?

Explain the situation in Sudan in context.

Who’s saying they didn’t happen?

My sister was raped by an immigrant.

I work with very dangerous men every day.

But I still don’t let the algorithms brainwash me and I focus purely on the statistical data from places like Rape Crisis that are obviously telling the truth because they only care about the victims.

What is your point Breezy?

It’s published in Switzerland and the British are more law abiding than the Swiss. There are certain countries that have over representation by a long way.

I would really like you to say that to those who have been attacked that they are brainwashed by social media.

What is your point?

I think you are either deliberately misrepresenting the comment or you are completely oblivious of how data analysis works. Which just proves my point that releasing raw data is going to create more problems than it may solve.
Adjusting for variables is not done in order to excuse something. It is done in order to figure out whether the specific behaviour (e.g. sex crime) is truly due a specific factor (e.g. ethnicity) or if it can be explained by a different factor and, in fact, ethnicity makes no difference to the likelihood of the behaviour. That's why statisticians and researchers create complex models to adjust for confounding variables.
I can give you plenty of non-controversial examples from clinical research if you need further explanation.

It doesn’t have to happen, we can change the system so Rhiannon Whyte or the woman attacked with a glass isn’t. Why not do that?

OP please can you post the data from the actual sources, as I refuse to click on links like that and I’m sure others won’t want to either 😊

What do you mean change the system?

In what way can we stop women and children being attacked by men?

Amazing! I pointed this out on the other thread that we don’t have the data to draw any conclusions and was faced with outrage, being called stupid, long lectures on how obvious it must be based on racist stereotyping, to speculation that I was some government mole making a concerted effort to cover up and minimise concerns.

You dead right though, this data isn’t being collected.