AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.'

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Previous thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5568695-aibu-to-think-if-we-need-to-politely-ask-men-not-to-rape-women-or-men-then-we-dont-want-such-people-in-the-uk?page=40&reply=154338993&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Makes me shudder to think about what happened to that baby that was being hoisted on one of the dingies.

Makes me shudder to think about what happened to that baby that was being hoisted on one of the dingies.

Because the EU has a refugee agency where if a migrant is refused asylum in any one country then he or she is deported back to their home country no matter where they try and go in the EU. They can’t shop around’

He was refused in France, if we had been part of the EU, we could have deported him straight away he would have had no right to submit an asylum application. But as we are now a 3rd country the fact he was already refused means nothing, he gets to try his luck in the UK.

Agree, and when there is war in the West the use of rape as a weapon of war is just as common as in current war zones like Sudan.

'The dead man was a 34-year-old Afghan national. Another man was stabbed and two women were burned on the vessel, the Daily Mail reports.
Forty-five of those on board continued towards the UK and were picked up by a British rescue vessel, according to French authorities.'

Those poor women - burned on the boat? 2 men stabbed. Lord of the flies on steroids. Collateral damage. Makes you feel all warm and cosy doesn't it, knowing these men are now in the UK, free to roam wherever the fck they like.

'A terrified French mother had to flee with her two young daughters from her farm after migrants invaded nearby woods seeking to find new beaches to launch small boats for Britain. In rare interview for British press, a resident living in France has given an exclusive insight into life for ordinary French people living on the front line of the migrant crisis.'

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2241335/french-mother-flees-farm-daughters?int_source=mantis_rec&int_medium=web&int_campaign=more_like_this

If ONLY they'd had the leaflets.

Perhaps we should hand out laminated leaflets starting in Calais. Extra protection.

Only about 60% can read so......?

You want to adjust rape stats for age to exclude, what? Children and the elderly of the indigenous population? They famously carry out a large percentage of rapes, of course.

This shows the issue with some pp on how chaos-free this all is.

Well of course the leaflet will be translated into approx 150 different languages.

I've read A Woman in Berlin, and it was bad, sickening, but even the Russians didn't do this en masse.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2025/jun/30/sexual-violence-tigray-women-abuse-gang-rape-ethiopia-eritrea

Not a bad idea actually. Let's see how many have held onto them when they arrive here. Will they go the same way as their ID?

No. That’s not what age and sex adjustments are for, they are standard adjustments when you wish to compare two populations that have significantly different sex and age demographic profiles. You have to compare like with like.

For example, immigrant populations can be 75% male while the host population is 50% female. If you don’t adjust for sex, then it looks like immigrants are more likely to commit rapes than the host population. When really, the data just looks that way because they have a higher % of men, and men account for all rapes (or virtually all in countries outside the UK where rape is defined differently such that women can be rapists). Adjusting for sex will account for some of the difference in raw data.

In addition, most sex offenders are aged 16-40. Immigrant populations have a much higher % of young workers than the host population, so again that raw data may look like immigrants are more likely to rape but if you adjust for the age of the two populations, some difference in the raw data will be erased.

These are the two basic minimum confounding factors that have to be adjusted for. A good analysis with adjust for many more.

Yes I know, I was half asleep.

If you actually bother to look at the whole thread, Denmark for instance includes migrants over multipe generations, which addresses your confounding issue

https://x.com/Smirkley/status/2093349370984841297

Then there's the Afghan stats, which are so stark that clearly even adjusting them isn't going to equalise their offending rate

https://x.com/Smirkley/status/2093342485409894442

Here's another Danish one that includes migrant descendents

https://x.com/contrarian4data/status/2093558249819984331

The Russians did rape en masse in Berlin. We just don’t like to admit it as they were our allies in WWII. Our own soldiers have also raped en masse.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/germany-shines-light-rape-allied-troops-who-defeated-nazis-n363136

The Spanish civil war saw the Franco troops use rape as a weapon of war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_violence_and_rape_in_Francoist_Spain_and_the_democratic_transition

The Russians are currently doing mass rapes in Ukraine
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/08/evidence-mounting-about-russian-tactics-sexual-torture-against-ukrainian

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161281

In the Bosnian war and genocide of the 1990s when Czechoslovakia fell apart. There was mass rape of Bosnian Muslims by Christian Serbs. An estimated 50,000 women were raped. Some were kept in concentration camps and repeatedly assaulted. One survivor of Omarska camp, Nusreta Sivac, a former judge, was determined to try to get some justice for the victims of that war, her testimony helped make rape an internationally recognised war crime.

I know the Russians raped en masse, that's what I said. I said they didn't en masse insert rusty metal objects into their victims' uteruses.

Then it makes sense not to welcome this from countries who are still using it.

Any view on the link below and the crossing which saw a stabbing and attacks on women?

I looked at the thread, and the charts from Smirkley do not adjust for age or sex. It’s written right there in the bottom left hand corner of his charts. His charts are useless. He’s not even done the bare minimum statistical analysis required to produce an accurate chart comparing crime rates between the two populations.

Tracking 1st, 2nd generations doesn’t address the basic confounding factors of age and sex.

Tracking settled first generation migrants, and their next-generation offspring absolutely removes the age and sex confouding issues - because they are marrying women, ageing, and producing children of both sexes, just as the original population do.

They did similar. Bayonets, broken bottles, broom handles, truncheons. Many were simply murdered and tossed in a ditch after being gang raped.

Uh-oh - the migrant statistics thread taken down again.

Yes, I think we should restrict men from war-torn countries from being granted LTR. At the moment if they come from Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea etc, they are more likely to be granted LTR because they are countries that are riven with war and conflict.

I think that's asking for trouble, bringing in often troubled individuals from very different cultures. It's generally women and girls in the poorest neighbourhoods who pay the price as those are the areas that will end up with the most HMOs.

So why do you want this system? You can see chaos on the boats to get here.