AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

'Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK

UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.'

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

Previous thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5568695-aibu-to-think-if-we-need-to-politely-ask-men-not-to-rape-women-or-men-then-we-dont-want-such-people-in-the-uk?page=40&reply=154338993&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Yanbu. But some on MN will say you are because they think we should accommodate cultures of incomers without question. These people walk amongst us and feel safe to express this view on here, whilst they would absolutely not admit their opinion to people in real life.

Theres a growing belief that evemtually in a few decades, immigrants from cultures where women are second class citizens, will be in the majority here, and women will no longer be equal to men. And we will then get situations like yesterdays news report, where a woman was stoned to death by men in Afghanistan for committing adultery. Many of us on here will be long gone, but our grandchildren will be left with the consequences of actions taken by the current liberal left mob.

Communists believe that all humans are simply interchangeable units of labour and everyone should be treated equally. There is no such thing as nationhood, culture or religion and people's behaviour can be brought under control by threats, coercion or death equal treatment. By treating migrants 'fairly' they will naturally respond in a fair manner. Of course this is rubbish, but essentially what they believe. Any differences can be ironed out with reason and free stuff. Soon, they will be magically transformed into obedient workers, who will be happy to peacefully coexist with others in any country in the world.

As a survivor of a serious sexual assault by two men (at same time ) both white and English i have no fear of being attacked by a migrant. MEN rape. Its a male issue irelrvent of colour and anyone who bleats " we have enough rapists already " i will say just p off . If we have enough rapists in this country and your that concerned please tell me your history of campaigning against male violence ? Or are you just jumping on the racist bandwagon. I watched the cringeworthy gb news report from crowborough a few weeks ago and I seriously thought it could pass for a parody, much like that infamous brass eye pedogeddon show.. it was embsrrasing and a insult. Its about racism. Its about ignorance . A vast majority of the so called men shouting and screaming outside hotels have been proven to have dv convictions. Some more serious. One prominent one has a kidnap conviction. And they have the audacity to claim they care for womens safety. Its obscene. Judging by some ridiculous toe curling comments on here this thread should be renamed the great replacement conspiracy thread. Wonder how many posters are men ???

Of course men don't care about our safety and the people on GB news are being disingenuous. Women care about women's safety (usually), but it's ultimately a bit of a mystery why some women don't.

Sorry about your experiences, but I won't be pissing off anywhere. I will stay exactly where I feel comfortable in my mindset operating on my own gut instincts. Thanks.

Your welcome

Glad we cleared that up.

I think the Saudis are at least overall well educated - certainly I would have no more fear of an educated, middle-class Saudi man than a Westerner.
But of course, they're not the ones coming across illegally.

Not saying there's still not a long way to go for many women in the country of course.

The problem is that there will always be a criminal element in any society, and there's only so much you can do about that. I would argue for tougher penalties for rape and people serving out the entirety of their terms, which will necessitate more or larger prisons and funding for them. (I'd also be in favour of trying to reduce wasteful spending in prisons. In short, it's not meant to be a pleasant experience.)

As little as some like to hear it, it's still undeniably true that it's fundamentally stupid to welcome more rapists (and other criminals) into your country and dismiss women's concerns because some native rapists are already there. If I'm sharing a home with a rapist, how will letting a second rapist move in improve the situation?

It's not about race, but it is about culture. Men from certain cultures undeniably are more likely to treat women horribly. But leave that aside for a moment. Would you shrug if the government wanted to allow rapists in from a white-majority country?

I believe we're being taboo term. I'm also a woman. I know a fair amount about religion and understand how 'it' will happen. Liberals/leftists are usually atheist and don't have enough understanding or insight into what goes on in the minds of religious people to make a reliable determination of how it's going to play out so therefore don't believe in it. Doesn't mean it's not happening though. I'm also getting on in years and can reliably identify patterns in human behaviour.

Saudis know exactly which way is up with what we are importing.

Great final question! 👏

Oh absolutely - they're horrified. With not only who we're letting in, but the terrorist-linked organisations we're allowing to flourish.

"Please tell me your history of campaigning against male violence" is a bizarre choice of rebuttal.

It's entirely an "activist" mindset isn't it? Going on to accuse others of "jumping on a bandwagon" proves it.

We can't actually be permitted to just object to a thing because it's inherently bad all round, our objections have to be converted into evidence of our bad character.

Msbond is a perfect example of how the public sector equality duty has made people prioritise equality in violent sexual crimes so much that they are vilifying those that think equal access to rape victims for the worlds criminals is bad. Equality has driven them mad.

Those who believe communism is a Good Thing are those who've never had to live under it.

Those who believe communism is a Good Thing to inflict upon their enemy nations in order to bring them down are delighted people are falling for it.

Leftists/liberals are the useful idiots.

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Over 50% of gang rapes in Germany, where they collate such figures, are carried out by foreigners, largely men from Afghanistan and Syria, with Iraq and Turkey also over-represented.

So yes, I will be concerned about who is coming in unvetted.

No-one has claimed that British men don't rape, just that there's a per capita greater danger from men from certain countries and cultures.

I'm very sorry about your experience.

I live in a designated City of Sanctuary. Many of us who live here struggle to see who is benefiting other than the numerous charities involved that have increased their number of well-paid positions.

Violent and sexual crime have increased. Drug use has increased. If we dare to raise this then we are racists. My personal experience is that the city doesn't feel like a sanctuary; the large groups of young men who have poured in create an air of unease. I'm not the only one feeling it; friends and colleagues are leaving, suddenly relocating to the surrounding villages when previously they loved city life. It's very sad.

What like a Star of David sewn onto the sleeve, something like that?

People commit crime in the west. Men commit sexual crime in the west. These crimes are sad but rates are lower in the west as we are a civilised society

We are unable to reject individuals seeing asylum under current UN conventions simply because they originate from a country that features heavily on the rape/sexual crime statistics, and we have no way of knowing if they have a record/history. So I don't see what can be done to solve this. TBH, when the 1951 Refugee Convention or its 1967 Protocol were signed, I don't think the wellbeing and safety of women (or certainly the women in the receiving country) were taken into consideration for a millisecond.

We can leave the UN conventions

Australia is still part of the convention but has found another way to resolve that.