Crash on A66 that killed two police officers and 5 others…

[bookworm1982]

Am I correct that the other victims were 5 lads travelling in one car the wrong way up the motorway? EXACTLY the same as the 5 Irish lads who died a few days ago travelling the wrong way up a motorway too? Surely not twice in a week? Is there some sort of mental social media thing going on, telling kids to drive up the wrong way? Like a dare? Just cannot believe it happened once, let alone twice. Just devastating.

Under many circumstances I’d agree with you, puffin. Generally I understand generational trauma, cycles, poverty etc and I have empathy.

These last two cases I really don’t, because of the pointlessness of it and the reaction of their friends and family. That’s aggravating the situation no end.

There is a place in society for shame. It’s how children learn to stay safe and within community. It’s an important emotion.

These communities have somehow shed the shame of this situation in favour of mourning noisily and competitively. And that’s an issue.

We need shame. Their behaviour was shameless as is that of the communities mourning them.

Well said. We seem to now have sections of society with no shame, only entitlement, and we're degenerating to the point where society feels dangerous and lawless:
https://x.com/fanofnicethings/status/2091625817734328383

Absolutely spot on. I didn't dare get in trouble at school because I knew id get an even bigger telling off at home! No violence before anyone says my parents were abusive, just a good healthy dose of RESPECT for authority.

Those poor police officers, and the innocent family last weekend, were simply going about their business and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Given both were fast roads, there could easily have been more innocents caught up in it. Their poor families, both police officers were fathers sounds like they did a lot for their community as well despite their full on job

IF these are linked to tik tok trends (I dont do tt) likewise the fires, the damn app needs to be banned, too much now seems to be doing things for likes. But again it goes back to parenting, remember the phrase "if x jumped off a cliff would you do the same". Seems that doesnt apply anymore. The passengers as well have got in that car knowing what is about to happen.

Lets not forget they were being chased before they went the wrong way up the dual carriageway. The police dont just chase cars for no reason, and often if told to stop by the police, people generally do, so they must have been doing something not at all good to a) require being flagged and b) causing a chase rather than simply pulling over

Their photos dont surprise me.

And your earlier complaint Puffin accusing people of eugenics- being pleased that these 5 didn’t have time to father multiple children is not eugenics. It’s recognising they’d be shit dads and bring up shit kids, perpetuating the problem.

Well puffin did say she was either a traveller, in the IRA
or a peaky blinder… such japes of a life..

There is also a gofundme for another victim of some of the toerags killed in the crash in Ireland. A motorcyclist who came off his bike when they crashed into a car in a stolen ford ranger pickup truck. The motorcyclist was waiting at a red light. The truck hit the car behind him which knocked him off his bike. Then the truck mounted the footpath and drove over the poor man! And drove off without a care in the world. The medics said he is only alive because he had protective motorcycle gear on him!! This happened in July.

A Go Fund Me in place for the families of the two Cleveland police officers, arranged the Cleveland Police Federation.

I hope another is arranged for the voluntary service Great North Air Ambulance (if allowed) that attended.

Ahh, on page 40 - this is a point I'd want to talk more about. I agree about shame being important. But I don't think any whole community should feel shame for the behaviour of individuals within it.

And I don't know - on the funerals - I've argued they can bury and mourn their dead however they want, and that, if they're travellers, the funeral is going to look ostentatious when by their standards it may be pretty normal. But if it is intentional callousness towards the victims - that, I'd find really disgusting. And I can at a stretch imagine that that could come into it. Horrific deaths like this do bring out horrific callousness, and often on the part of the perpetrators and those who feel associated with them.

PlumpHobbit

It's not spot on though. People who follow rules, follow rules. People who don't, don't. You are judging people by your own rationale and moral compass but sadly it doesn't work like that. You have respect for others but many don't really care or give a shit about the consequences. Punishment is only a deterrent for those who follow the rules in the first place.

A 13year old who comitted murder and got himself killed in the process?. No, no sympathy at all.

At 13 you know right from wrong.

Absolutely. An 8 year old knows it.

The "eugenics" was more all that talk about the gene pool, and Darwinism in action. I just don't think that's ok. I really didn't think so many people would be ok with all that.

No. Plenty of people have bad upbringings and aren't feral. Or murderers.
That's a choice.

I think if you <not you personally, just you in the general sense> have grown up and lived in dysfunctional, chaotic, violent relationships it is understandable how it becomes the norm.

It is therefore good that the majority of us are saying it isn't ok, it isn't the norm and anyone living with violent criminals are indeed complicit for enabling it and excusing it with silly FB 'top lad' rubbish.

So try to call it out. Instead of getting upset about 'thug' try thinking yes, that is what they were.

If violent criminals communities make an effort you never know, things could change.

Ahh, on page 40 - this is a point I'd want to talk more about. I agree about shame being important. But I don't think any whole community should feel shame for the behaviour of individuals within it.

If the attitude of extreme, callous disregard for everyone outside that community, and generally criminal behaviour, stems from without the community, then of course they should feel shame.
But because of the above attitudes, they of course won't. No shame, and no self-examination.

I feel sickened by the events of this weekend and the loss of 2 much loved policemen.
Something has gone very very wrong in this country and I don’t even know where we begin to get things back on track.
There has always been ‘wrong un’s’, but I truly believe the decline has kicked in since it was deemed unacceptable to discipline children whether at school or at home.
That doesn’t mean I condone physical violence against children, but they need firm boundaries to learn right from wrong and to feel safe and secure.
I despair

Sympathy? Absolutely not. Vile, entitled, murderous little shits that don't care about anyone else.

To those two Police officers. Thank you. Thank you for everything you went through for a career that is by no means easy. I'm sorry for their family's and they have my upmost sympathy

They do if they are eulogising the murderers.
If it was my child, I would be devasted at their death and simultaneously utterly ashamed .

Don't think they would be bringing them up. The women who got impregnated would and possibly more than 1

@Lucie11
I agree . It’s all gone horribly wrong with liberalism and the be kind movement which has taken away the rights of parents , teachers , the police to set boundaries and punish if those boundaries are broken . How are children ever to learn right fro
wrong if there never is a wrong . If you push boundaries and there are never any consequences those boundaries get pushed further and further until you get the breakdown in society we are seeing now . I fear it’s gone to far wrong to recover from .

Do you just see that as an insult and that’s why you don’t like it? I see it pragmatically. The gene pool needs all sorts. We need diversity.
We don’t need antisocial elements. It isn’t personal. It’s much bigger.
It is good for society to have fewer anti social elements.

What is so sickening to me, are friends of the lads ( and parents in some cases ) posting "lets light FB with them" "lets send of balloons in their memory "

These "kids: ( as in some are in their 20's ) are totallyy feral , Parents dont have a clue what's happening . And whilst Im sad that 10 young popped have lost their lives this past week, , Im a lot sadder that this is where we are at. risking everything, killing innocents, to get likes on SM

But we don't want people who would be shitty parents to have children do we? I mean no-one in their right mind wants useles individuals to have children. It's not fair on society or the children. Being a parent is the hardest thing most people do and these perpetrators don't seem to have been good at anything, even driving, so why would anyone want them procreating?

On that thread, I actually begged people to stop guessing what community I am from. When I said "think Irish traveller, IRA, peaky blinders" (as in, those kinds of communities are the right idea) I needed help, and felt that I'd only get it on the condition I gave more detail about who I am than I wanted to. I didn't say it for the "japes". I needed help. Which I got, btw - and thank you if you were on there.

'Being a parent is the hardest thing most people do and these perpetrators don't seem to have been good at anything, even driving, so why would anyone want them procreating?'

Exactly.