Crash on A66 that killed two police officers and 5 others…

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Am I correct that the other victims were 5 lads travelling in one car the wrong way up the motorway? EXACTLY the same as the 5 Irish lads who died a few days ago travelling the wrong way up a motorway too? Surely not twice in a week? Is there some sort of mental social media thing going on, telling kids to drive up the wrong way? Like a dare? Just cannot believe it happened once, let alone twice. Just devastating.

I am sure she is very vulnerable. Travelling people murder each other at an alarming rate. They are less the 1% of the population in Ireland now, there ancestors would be ashamed of the vicious feuds, the sharp weapons.

I am sure most of the teenagers in these groups of car thieves are neglected, no home comforts, taught to steal as a young child, violence and addiction, They’re all from run down areas, where if the want a new coat they’ll have to sell a few bags of weed or steal for it.

Thankfully I don't think that's the case anymore, killing police officers is a special case now

Why should they get 1 to 1 tuition when they refuse to accept the education available? If they want 1 to 1 tution they should pay for it, no council should have to pander to their wants. If they want to take their children out of school then they either pay to get them educated or they're prosecuted, just like the rest of the population, they're not special. There would be more money for all children in schools if councils stopped wasting it on 'cultural' choices.

And again, innocent people (police) have died due to the stupidity and selfishness of others. I can’t imagine there is any loss to society for the others except to their family.

17 probably is to young to learn to drive 'these' days but it wasn't . Kids today are very immature and to an extent the fact, that virtually nobody starts full time employment after 18 must play a part! . Kids know far more specific academic information today but have far less understanding of consequences or the World beyond school. Go back 30 -40 years ago there was always one 18 year old in a group who was like a '25' year old, thus ensured 'spirted' behaviour did not cross the line. Somebody, who could also take command in a crisis situation. Under 18's today are like lemmings, where nobody in the group will dis obey or challenge dangerous or stupid behaviour. This, goes past driving and can be seen when hoards of youths run rampage through shops etc.

Let's say I'm an Irish traveller man, living in Britain, and I've got into a fight, let's say with another Irish traveller man, and been convicted of assault. Where do I "fuck off" (get deported) to?

Does a white British man convicted of assault get a different punishment? Or does he get deported too?

I think the law should apply equally to all, and I agree that it doesn't. I don't think ethnic minorities are the main beneficiaries of the double standards though.

Full time employment does not start until after 18 plays a part in keeping children about 2-3 years behind in maturity from those 30-40 years ago. You only have to look at Grange Hill or Tuckers Look to see that 14/15 year olds on those shows present themselves as '18' year olds today.

Agree im only in my 30s but they are certainly not orientated to the world like i was in my later teens.
Today younger adults dont tend to form relationships as i ever did but i guess its the internet that hss played its part

Yes for many in the Grange Hill era they knew that the fifth year would be the final year of education and they’d be going into full-time work at 16.

Some effectively had already started on a part-time basis before the summer holidays and then immediately went full-time when any exams were done.

We should also have police in schools more, showing the consequences of dangerous driving. Not just the deaths, but injuries, and testimonies from the injured and permanently disabled who regret their utter stupidity.

First of all I think that young people are not stupid, they know the consequences of their criminality but those involved don't care, those who chose to kill the two policemen would have watched what happened in Ireland last week and they probably enjyed seeing them, idolising the idiots.
Secondly, as far as schools are concerned, when police have done this parents have complained that their little precious darlings have been upset and have had 'anxiety' caused by the graphic images, demanding it stopped. The Police can't win either way.

We need to stop asking schools to do everything and actually make parents more accountable for their children and their actions.

Let's say you are.

You can fuck off back to Ireland.

However, if you are saying that as a traveller you are a different race to the rest of the Irish, to the extent that you suffer from racism-racism that you expect to be given special protection for-then you are plainly not Irish.

You say that you are a different race.

So, the Irish race don't want you-a convicted criminal-you have nothing to do with them. Why should they keep you?

Let's do a DNA test on you. The result of that will determine where you are fucking back off to-the land of your ancestors, whether that be in the depth of the Amazonian Basin or the top of a Transylvanian mountain. Your blood, your race, will decide.

if they don't want you, bar the gates against you, then you can sail the seven seas in a barrel if no ship will take you. Bon Voyage!

Off you fuck-stop being an incubus in Ireland.

However, if the DNA test shows that your blood, your race, is the exact same as every other Irish people then you will be jailed in Ireland.

But that will be enough of the bollocks of calling yourself a different race.

This can also be applied to English travellers.

If you are a different race, prove it.

We can blame this and that. This part of society has existed for decades, it’s fashionable in certain areas not to work, they sit in the garden fighting with neighbours, letting kids do what they want, everyone forgets about them until something happens.

The local community have to put up with these neighbours daily. Nobody cares about the decent people in these areas.

These kids teach each other how to drive once they can reach the peddle.

My friend is a youth leader for crime prevention age group 8 to 12 year old referrals.

I don't know if these dead boys are travellers or not but they are scum and I feel not one ounce of sympathy. I do think that this protection around the travelling community needs to stop and the authorities need to come down hard on them without this fear of being called a racist.

Though the biggest issue seems to be youth criminality which is out of control and the police sit and watch and do nothing then this happens. I think parents needs to be held responsible for not parenting- benefits cut as a first step/ massive fines if not on benefits. I imagine most will be on benefits as welfare has become a choice for a lot of people and it should never have been allowed. It's helped to foster communities were no ones ever worked and live entirely off the state

A serious conversation needs to be had about social media and frankly the first thing I'd do is ban tiktok. Tiktok also need to be held accountable. I agree that the driving age is to low as there seems to be a lack of maturity in today's youth.

Two of the same incidents in the one week is awful and action needs taking now, not when it happens again or more innocent people will lose their lives.

It's devastating for the family of the 2 police officers

These things are taught in schools though. I dont know what these kids are doing in class.

Yesterday, I heard 2 teens talking. The boy said ' Do you know the only mammal that lays eggs'
Girl - is a chicken a mammal?
Boy - gave her several hints. Its Australian. It begins with D.
Girl - Dolphin?

I just give up on the lack of kids' general knowledge. And yet, then one surprises me with something totally obscure by quoting Hitler and mein kampf and the danger signs being there before he even came to power.

May I suggest

Firstly we do not do anywhere enough to try and prevent young people becoming involved in crime. I would add that its a child protection issue as much as anything else as its clearly not in a child or young persons best interests to become involved in offending.

Secondly given the potential impact and the numbers who actually die on our roads we do not treat 'motoring offences' seriously enough.

I dont propose to make any suggestions as to how because that will divert the discussion.

I'd be so ashamed if my child caused devastation like this.

That's the crucial difference between most of society and these communities. The families of these young men will be promoting them proudly with barely literate sm posts with the usual tropes of 'good boys, the best, most loving' blah blah. Then will come over the top funerals, probably a go-fund-me or two and the cycle will continue amongst siblings and friends.

I don't know what the answer is but I really wish there were a solution to drive a feeling of shame and responsibility into these people.

Because if they can’t read and write there’s even less chance of them getting off the trajectory of a life if crime (which disadvantages all of us).

Time to stop pandering to these ridiculous nuisance “communities”.

I don't know all the details, yet crashes involving young people have happened for years. I am 46 now, and I remember being 18 and 4 lads from my secondary school were in a high speed crash and two of them died, it was in the area I grew up and even now there is still flowers laid at the crash site every year. I just remember it being the first deaths that really effected me, as I knew one of them as my friend went to the school prom with him.

Sadly speed still happens, I was driving yesterday and some young man was really close behind me, and I thought his driving was aggressive. I past my test when I was 17 I know how to drive, yet aggressive or speeding drivers are the people to watch out for on our roads.

It did say the patrol car that got hit wasn't even part of the police chase, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Living near the area, you can tell yhese are local lads. The traveller look is common for the area.

"The victims of the A66 crash have been named locally as Michael Ray, Theo Rae and Cole Worthy, although their identities had not been confirmed by police at the time of the report.

Saddington was born and raised in Pallister Park, Middlesbrough, and was brought up by his mother, Alisha Morgan.

Saddington’s aunt Sharon Morgan paid tribute to her nephew on social media following his death.

She said she was heartbroken at losing her beloved nephew and described the unimaginable pain of losing someone so young, loved and full of life.

She said Makai had brought love and happiness into the family and that his memory would stay with them forever, adding that his death had left a space in their hearts that could never be filled.

She ended her tribute by saying her nephew would never be forgotten and asked people to keep the family in their thoughts and prayers as they tried to get through the heartbreaking period, particularly Makai’s mother, Alisha."

I firmly believe the lack of part time jobs for teenagers is a large part of the reason teens are less mature.

Getting your first job gives a step up in maturity level. When teens worked collecting glasses, or being a Saturday girl in a shop, paid babysitting, having a delivery round or any of the other common part time jobs those doing those jobs had that maturity step at 14/15/16. That happens much less now.

There is a large tourist attraction on the edge of our village and for donkeys years it was almost like a rite of passage for local teens to work there. For the last 10 ish years there are more and more folks of 60+ doing those jobs instead when they’re looking for jobs after stopping their careers. It’s much easier for the employer - they don’t have any restriction on hours, they don’t disappear off to uni, and don’t require any working around school or college hours.

my elder three children are mid-late twenties and the difference in them and their friends with the majority of the group around my 15 year old is stark. Only DS and one of his friends have jobs (which they both got through family), parents are much more heavily involved in their friendships and interactions and they are far less mature. Lots of the parents blame it on Covid but I think it’s far more than that.

Brass neck.

Honestly you could throw buckets of money at it. There is a lot available from the school, youth service, summer camps for the disadvantaged, food parcel, youth intervention services. Personal liaison with a mentor.

They’re given so much support. Much more than most families.

At the end of the day, you can’t force the parents to parent. The bar for social services intervention is high.

@JustAnotherWhinger plenty of people age 60+ still need to work, it is fair play