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Crash on A66 that killed two police officers and 5 others…

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bookworm1982 · 22/08/2026 18:53

Am I correct that the other victims were 5 lads travelling in one car the wrong way up the motorway? EXACTLY the same as the 5 Irish lads who died a few days ago travelling the wrong way up a motorway too? Surely not twice in a week? Is there some sort of mental social media thing going on, telling kids to drive up the wrong way? Like a dare? Just cannot believe it happened once, let alone twice. Just devastating.

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NancyThompson · 23/08/2026 09:17

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keepswimming38 · 23/08/2026 09:17

I think the parents should have to stand in court and explain why it was acceptable their 13 year old was doing that. They can explain to the grieving families of the two police men.

hattie43 · 23/08/2026 09:17

ExtraOnions · 23/08/2026 07:49

These tragedies are the end consequences of the “traveller community” being allowed to ride roughshod over the law, due to the fear of being called racist.

It starts with pitching up on land that doesn’t belong to you, breaking laws by being there in the first instance. Then fly tipping your waste, with no action agaist you. Ploughing up fields and putting hard standing down (normally on a bank holiday weekend so there is no-one to stop you), and illegally moving on - knowing the law will protect you from having to move on anyone soon. To making camps no- go areas for any authority.. because you scream Racism of anyone tries to check. Petty criminality therefore goes uninvestgated and unchecked, the kind if criminality that effects hundreds of people, and heaven forbid if you don’t want potential criminals in your premises .. again called racist.
So the authority’s have no power, and no respect, and the petty criminality grows, and become bigger .. and you end up with dead Police Officers, and serious injured citizens.

Add to that a complete disregard for Education.

If you have a whole community who are allowed to act with impunity, that the authorities are unable or unwilling to deal with .. you reap the consequences.

I think this is true . They are allowed to behave criminally and get away with anything because they are ‘ a protected community ‘ . We have to move on from any attempt to stop this communities criminality being called racist .
At the end of the day if they raised their children better and lawfully a lot of them would still be alive .

HarshbutTrue2 · 23/08/2026 09:18

Any comments i have made about travellers refer to the Irish crash. The Irish funeral was a travellers funeral.

The comments about spelling from other posters - the travelling community very often completely refuse to engage in education. Governments and councils fall over backwards to provide education. They don't want to know.

I am amazed that mumsnetters have never watched certain wedding programmes on TV. It is the aim of the females in this community to marry ASAP and then start having kids. I don't know what happens when the kids grow up.

I am amazed that mumsnetters have never met travellers in real life. Our local petrol station has a shop. When travellers are in the district, a whole family will go into the shop and use distraction techniques whilst stealing off the shelves. They are taught this from an early age.

I recently looked at the prison statistics for ethnicity. One of the largest groups in prison in the UK are Irish. I think they are the third biggest ethnic group. Possibly a large proportion of that group are travellers.

MissMappsGardenProduce · 23/08/2026 09:19

Yes I see that and I say Bollocks to it!

They are the same race as evry other Irish and English person and I don't care how many paid for reports are produced to say otherwise.

They are written by those with an agenda for the simple minded.

grrrlatrix · 23/08/2026 09:20

So so much misinformation on here and it’s even worse on FB.

Expressing an opinion: fine.
Latching onto an idea and spreading it like it is factual: ridiculous, hurtful and potentially damaging.

MissMappsGardenProduce · 23/08/2026 09:21

keepswimming38 · 23/08/2026 09:17

I think the parents should have to stand in court and explain why it was acceptable their 13 year old was doing that. They can explain to the grieving families of the two police men.

Yes, and in this and every case of criminality where the offender is under 18, they should be on trial as an Accessory Before the Fact.

Tried by Hanging Judge Jeffries not Wet Shelia from The Green Party.

BlueFahrenheit · 23/08/2026 09:22

FlipFlopVibe · 23/08/2026 09:11

Definitely the photo I would choose. There’s no hope

How wonderful. That's the best photo of their angel?

He looks like an absolute joy!

ExtraOnions · 23/08/2026 09:26

FlipFlopVibe · 23/08/2026 09:11

Definitely the photo I would choose. There’s no hope

Let release a load of balloons and kill some wildlife whilst we are at it.

Thick as two short planks, the lot of them.

Wondering why your taxes are so high ? Point less as small boats, and more at the multi-generational benefit dependant communities. Not one of them will have a job.

BellatrixpureBlood · 23/08/2026 09:26

ComeBackTo · 23/08/2026 09:05

There needs to be confirmation that all of these men in the A66 crash were travellers before assumptions create division and a ‘blame someone else not like us’ rhetoric.

These are law breaking, dangerous killers with extremely disrespectful friends and family. Part of the UK, regardless of their background.

I don’t think they’re travellers. Just scum breeding scum, jobless drains on society.

names are Michael Ray, Theo Rae, Cole Worthy. Makai saddington and jacub ( no surname posted)

HouseBee · 23/08/2026 09:26

NancyThompson · 23/08/2026 08:35

Two of them also rode over a motorcyclist before. They were sociopathic monsters.

And that has nothing to do with their origins. Whatever the race or the culture, you have people who behave like this, who have no care for otter people’s life.

LancashireButterPie · 23/08/2026 09:26

MissMappsGardenProduce · 23/08/2026 09:21

Yes, and in this and every case of criminality where the offender is under 18, they should be on trial as an Accessory Before the Fact.

Tried by Hanging Judge Jeffries not Wet Shelia from The Green Party.

I quite agree.

Dear God, if one of my DC had caused such devastation, I would never be able to show my face for shame. The last thing I would be doing would be organising a balloon release.

May the Police officers rest in peace and may their families find a little comfort knowing that the vast majority of the public feels their pain and grieve with them.

BlueFahrenheit · 23/08/2026 09:30

ExtraOnions · 23/08/2026 09:26

Let release a load of balloons and kill some wildlife whilst we are at it.

Thick as two short planks, the lot of them.

Wondering why your taxes are so high ? Point less as small boats, and more at the multi-generational benefit dependant communities. Not one of them will have a job.

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I hope the balloons are not made from synthetic latex, either.

I can tell the family is of low-quality stock.

Factcheckingwhilstbored · 23/08/2026 09:31

I work in a similar community (not traveller but similar) to where these boys come from and I’m bloody angry. I’m angry that antisocial behaviour is normalised within them. I’m angry that teachers, social workers, police will be very VERY clear to these families and get abuse and or dismissive reactions from when the children are small. At the end of the day, these children (using the words older teen drives a narrative) were failed and have consequently lost their lives. Failed by their parents, families, communities and social media. It doesn’t help that we are so underfunded as a nation for services to support.

But ultimately I do believe this lies with the families. A 15/16 year old boy doesn’t just decide to do this at three in the morning, there have been thousands of shitty parenting decisions before this. And as adults, parents, need to answer to for it.

I have spent years watching children being failed by the people that are supposed to love and protect them and teach them right from wrong. I’m just so angry now. And devastated for the families of those poor police men.

DaisyDooley · 23/08/2026 09:32

Puffinsandcoffee · 23/08/2026 07:48

See, I don't blame a whole community for the actions of individuals or groups within it. I'd call that being a racist. But I get the impression we wouldn't agree on that, or much else.

And I'm not wrong about attitudes in Ireland. I know Ireland has plenty of what I'd call racists in it. I just said, not all of Ireland is like that. And I'm definitely not wrong about that: I could name at least three people in Ireland who aren't racist.

I'm as disgusted as anyone else by the actions of the driver and whoever was encouraging him. I still think everyone should get treated with dignity in death (however that looks to the dead, their family, their community). And I'd no more blame all travellers for this than I'd blame all white Brits for Fred West or Bonnie Blue or any of the many, many other psychopaths that come from that ethnic group. I don't even think being white British makes you more likely to be a psychopath. Aren't I generous.

If the community as a whole condemned these fucking murderers then I might have a modicum of time for them.
But they won’t.
It will be balloon releases, fireworks, OTT funerals packed with badly dressed idiots and then a few fights at the drunken wake which necessitates a police presence as they will smash up cars/the venue.
They can all Fuck off. I don’t give a shit about the 5 dead morons but I care deeply for the policemen who were murdered.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 23/08/2026 09:35

Factcheckingwhilstbored · 23/08/2026 09:31

I work in a similar community (not traveller but similar) to where these boys come from and I’m bloody angry. I’m angry that antisocial behaviour is normalised within them. I’m angry that teachers, social workers, police will be very VERY clear to these families and get abuse and or dismissive reactions from when the children are small. At the end of the day, these children (using the words older teen drives a narrative) were failed and have consequently lost their lives. Failed by their parents, families, communities and social media. It doesn’t help that we are so underfunded as a nation for services to support.

But ultimately I do believe this lies with the families. A 15/16 year old boy doesn’t just decide to do this at three in the morning, there have been thousands of shitty parenting decisions before this. And as adults, parents, need to answer to for it.

I have spent years watching children being failed by the people that are supposed to love and protect them and teach them right from wrong. I’m just so angry now. And devastated for the families of those poor police men.

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Absolutely lies with the families and also the authorities and bleeding heart fools who install “oh you are marginalised and people are just so mean to you!! It’s not your fault you rob and kill people.. what do they expect when they’re mean and don’t get you!”

HoraceCope · 23/08/2026 09:37

Boys all in their late teens

Such an awful thing to do, pointless waste

gingeristhenewblack43 · 23/08/2026 09:37

Bernadinetta · 22/08/2026 23:03

Some North East mumsnetters may be old enough to remember the Meadowell Riots, which started with a high speed police chase where the joyriders were killed in a crash. 35 years ago. That estate was a tinder box ready to blow with joyriding incident being enough to light the fuse, and that estate and many others in the NE haven’t improved or are in fact worse.

Yes I remember the riots. I went to school with one of the joy riders killed.

A vast amount of money was invested in the Meadowell estate following the riots, in the hopes of instilling some community pride. It’s still a festering shit hole with a lot of anti social behaviour.

On Wednesday a lad on an illegal bike wearing a balaclava was killed in the estate after he crashed into a van. Thursday another lad does exactly the same thing, fortunately for him he survived.

Videos on fb of balloon release and fireworks going off for the lad that died. Lots of comments that he’s was a polite well mannered lad and he’s with the ‘angles’ now.

OneHangryGoldDeer · 23/08/2026 09:41

Gengha · 23/08/2026 09:03

I appreciate that Travellers are legally recognised as an ethnic group, although personally I don't think they should be and hopefully one day we might get some more case law that overturns that finding. But we are where we are.

Where I disagree with you is the suggestion that people's attitudes towards Travellers simply amount to blaming an entire ethnic group for the actions of a few individuals. There are legitimate criticisms of aspects of Traveller culture and of patterns of behaviour that settled communities repeatedly encounter.
Traveller communities themselves openly describe extremely traditional gender roles, girls leaving education young, early marriage and expectations of women that I would regard as deeply sexist and misogynistic. There are also longstanding and well-documented conflicts around antisocial behaviour, illegal dumping, unauthorised sites and attitudes towards people outside the community.

Your comment about the “grieving mum who didn’t have the opportunity to get an education” whose fault is that? Once again, the culture, which allows that to happen, in defiance of the laws of the land in which they live I might add which mandates compulsory education to age 16.

Poor behaviour and attitudes don’t become acceptable because of “culture”. Not travellers but some cultures practice FGM, We aren’t racist to point out that some aspects of particular cultures and ethnic groups are abhorrent and deeply problematic,

None of that means that every individual Traveller behaves badly, and of course individuals should be judged on their own actions. But neither do I think it's honest to pretend that widespread hostility towards Travellers appeared spontaneously because settled people collectively decided to pick on a vulnerable minority.

I can't think of another ethnic group about which I hear about and experience such consistently negative experiences from people across completely different backgrounds and parts of the country. That doesn't make every allegation true, nor every Traveller responsible for what another Traveller does. But it does mean I'm not prepared to dismiss every criticism of the community as racism.

And yes, the individuals involved in this terrible crash are responsible for their own behaviour. I don't blame every Traveller for what they did same as I wouldn’t blame every teenage boy. I just don't accept that criticism of wider cultural practices and recurring behaviours is automatically equivalent to blaming an entire race.

And the congenital conditions arising from widespread consanguinous marriages. Ireland, a tiny, tiny country has one of the highest rates of life-limiting Hurler syndrome in the world.

Just one of the many, many congenital conditions effecting the traveller community.

And the fact the infant and childhood mortality rates are 3 or 4 times the rate of the general population.

And the overall life expectancy for males in particular is shockingly low, in the 60s. One large contributory factor being the alarming number of boys and young men killed in RTAs.

The elevated rates of suicide which in no small way is also linked to genetic factors. I have extended family members where 6 out of 7 adult children have schizophrenia and if they were tested, all have pretty profound intellectual disabilities.

Didn't stop some poor traveller women being married off to the men who can't read or write or count past 20 and who watch kids films while the wives clean the vans and look after their similarly disabled DC.

In a culture where according to the pioneering traveller health study only 10 or so years ago, traveller women didn't know marital rape exists, let alone it being a crime.

They just had sex they didn't want, violent at times. It didn't occur to them that was wrong, abuse or rape because they thought men can't rape their wives - the idea is men need sex and the wives have to provide it whether willingly or not. They literally didn't know their consent came into it.

JaniieJones · 23/08/2026 09:41

Puffinsandcoffee · 23/08/2026 09:04

No - no, not at all! That's not at all what I meant. Of course I don't think the police officers were at fault.

I was talking about the problems between travellers and non-travellers more generally (on the assumption, which seems to be running through the whole thread, that the boys were travellers). I was saying that I think the tensions between travellers and non-travellers emerge from attitudes and behaviours from both sides. Travellers aren't just victims, but non-travellers have attitudes that don't help build bridges either.

It doesn't matter if travellers or not!
They were clearly thugs and their family no better if they're praising their behaviour

Metalmotha · 23/08/2026 09:42

Puffinsandcoffee · 23/08/2026 09:08

Disgust and loathing about the criminality - understandable. Snide disdain about the low literacy - not understandable (to me). It was the latter I was asking about.

But it’s part of an ideology isn’t it? Why do they have low levels of literacy in a society with free education for all? Where there’s so much help? Is it because of the rejection of society’s ideals, rejection of their institutions? Rejection of the discipline required to learn. A lack of parental support of the child to make themselves into the best version of themselves to be the most use to society? Ultimately a rejection of the larger society itself.

We need to stop pandering to “communities” if you live in this country, abide by its laws, morals and values. Teach your kids how to become the most useful members of that society. We need to stop pussyfooting around. Kids need disciple. They need boundaries. Yesterday I encountered a group wandering across Dartmoor blaring our music. It’s not the first time. And it’s never a bunch of kids doing their DofE..I thought about saying something them thought twice as I was isolated on my own. And knew Id prob be accused of racism.

Mistachio · 23/08/2026 09:44

HarshbutTrue2 · 23/08/2026 09:18

Any comments i have made about travellers refer to the Irish crash. The Irish funeral was a travellers funeral.

The comments about spelling from other posters - the travelling community very often completely refuse to engage in education. Governments and councils fall over backwards to provide education. They don't want to know.

I am amazed that mumsnetters have never watched certain wedding programmes on TV. It is the aim of the females in this community to marry ASAP and then start having kids. I don't know what happens when the kids grow up.

I am amazed that mumsnetters have never met travellers in real life. Our local petrol station has a shop. When travellers are in the district, a whole family will go into the shop and use distraction techniques whilst stealing off the shelves. They are taught this from an early age.

I recently looked at the prison statistics for ethnicity. One of the largest groups in prison in the UK are Irish. I think they are the third biggest ethnic group. Possibly a large proportion of that group are travellers.

My husband works in a furniture store and they often have a load of these scumbags pitch up on the same industrial park.

All of them create chaos. The kids steal bikes from the bike shop - just walk in and help themselves. They’re protected by the adult males who stand by laughing while the feral little scrotes do their “shopping”.

The police do NOTHING. Not one thing.

LeebLeefuhLurve · 23/08/2026 09:46

Travellers or not, they were scummy scumbags who weren't going to amount to anything other than building up a forensic history, spreading misery among the local community and churning out another scummy generation, rinse and repeat.

The trash took itself out for once. Good luck to the pathologist trying to find a brain among any of them at post-mortem.

I'm very sad for the police officers and their families.

Smallbrowndog · 23/08/2026 09:46

Puffinsandcoffee · 23/08/2026 07:29

All of Ireland doesn't have that attitude. For anyone else reading this eugenicist bile: the Irish people I know have more respect for the dead and the bereaved than that. Police, Traveller, immigrant, criminal, whatever - one of the best things about Irish culture is its respect for the dead and the bereaved.

As for the community the driver and his mates were from, assuming it's travellers outsiders will provide all the opprobrium necessary (and more besides), as it always has done where travellers are concerned. Whatever internal debates this community is having about how behaviour like that should be seen and dealt with, you don't use a community event - like a funeral - to make a stand against or an example of one of your own, especially when you're under attack.

Just about all of Ireland is disgusted by what happened and has no sympathy for the boys or their families.

Politicians and the press are condemning their reckless criminal behaviour, not offering any sympathy to their families.

It's a significant change to the usual Irish response to the death of a young person - there hasn't been the usual 'there but for the grace of God' attitude.

Their families seem very confident that their boys are going straight to heaven to be with the angels, which isn't a dead cert according to what the nuns taught me in school back in the day.

Puffinsandcoffee · 23/08/2026 09:47

JaniieJones · 23/08/2026 09:41

It doesn't matter if travellers or not!
They were clearly thugs and their family no better if they're praising their behaviour

I agree with you! I dislike the word "thug", but yeah, I think the boys were awful. I don't think the families were praising the behaviour, but I agree that if they were, that's pretty much as bad as the behaviour itself. And I agree it doesn't matter whether they were travellers or, as it turns out, not.

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