Crash on A66 that killed two police officers and 5 others…

[bookworm1982]

Am I correct that the other victims were 5 lads travelling in one car the wrong way up the motorway? EXACTLY the same as the 5 Irish lads who died a few days ago travelling the wrong way up a motorway too? Surely not twice in a week? Is there some sort of mental social media thing going on, telling kids to drive up the wrong way? Like a dare? Just cannot believe it happened once, let alone twice. Just devastating.

The rationale is just that that's what funerals do. If you start to make exceptions, it's not a tradition or a custom any more, it's just a choice - and those singular exceptions to the custom accumulate into an erosion of a whole culture. Minorities don't let one bad act (or even one bad person) within their ranks undermine the whole culture.

Also - of course those boys ruined peoples lives, and it is despicable that they did that - but they did also light up people's lives as well (different people, obv). I don't expect anyone to feel sad for the boys' families, but I do. The fact remains that their mothers are going to be heartbroken. Almost no one is wholly bad, even "career criminals", and those boys who did this awful thing will also have done beautiful things too. Their mums will remember toddler cuddles that will feel like yesterday.

Their mums will be asking - as any mother here would - what could I have done differently? All of you may think it's obvious what she should have done, and be certain it's her own bad parenting that's to blame. Just imagine - she may well be thinking the same, and it's her own son she's lost. I think - if her parenting was to blame - she's gotten enough punishment, without her whole community then denying her son what they consider a proper funeral.

There's evil in his eyes.

Everything happens for a reason. Good riddance.

I’m fairly local, because of good old social media algorithms every time I open Facebook I see another tribute to the darling scroates, ‘f’ word laden about what a true mate he was, “can’t believe it” and attached is a photo of a a delightful soul in trackies sticking his finger up at the camera. Because that’s exactly the kind of photo you share as a tribute to an upstanding citizen isn’t it.
I’m not the same force, though I live in Cleveland, we’re a blue family and when one forces loses an officer, we all do.
Thank you for your service constables, your work here is done.

Totally agree. It's the pride and adulation that is appalling.

Obviously no matter what your dc did you'd naturally be upset at their death but the way they big them up like rock stars is horrific.

It's a culture, it's behaviour to be proud of apparently and there'll be plenty more scrotes driving at speed down the wrong way on a carriageway killing inocents to take their place.

The mothers don't have to grieve in private, just because you would.

Why is it relevant that you find the Facebook posts "semi-literate mawkish gibberish"? Do you not find that a bit ungenerous towards a grieving mother who's likely not had your opportunities to get an education?

Two of them also rode over a motorcyclist before. They were sociopathic monsters.

Yeah - sounds like they were... Not sure if you've meant to link to my post??

Oh stop with the mawkish rubbish, please! Toddler cuddles??? I
I couldn't give a fuck about any of the scum in the cars that were deliberately driving the wrong way, every scrap of my sympathy is entirely for the three sisters, the little boy and the two police officers.
Their mothers may well be heartbroken but those boys brought it all on themselves. Their families are entitled to grieve but those huge "traditional" funerals are a disgrace and an absolute fucking embarrassment. Literally rubbing it in the faces of the bereaved families.
They should be ashamed but they couldn't even spell the word.

The last time I saw fireworks being used after a teen died, a few weeks back. It started a massive wildlife

You don't need an education to know what they did was very wrong and writing speeches on what top lads they were is evidently incorrect.

No one objects to a simple sleep with the 'angles' but to make out they were virtuous kind lovely people when they were career criminals and have now killed innocents is sickening to say the least.

I'll reserve my sympathy for the families of the police officers, not whoever dragged up their killers.

You are being an agent provocateur, @Puffinsandcoffee , which is sometimes quite funny on MN.

But probably not this morning, on this thread.

No. Of course they don’t have to. I’m saying they don’t have to decency to.

She should raised her child better. His choices killed himself and others.

My niece knew a group of boys who would go out racing one another late at night on dual carriageways and rural roads, until one of them had a serious crash that left one of their friends with brain damage.

They were all nice, middle class, grammar school boys and the only difference was that they were in their own cars, not stolen ones. They were still being fucking idiots.

Exactly. Fucking “toddler cuddles” 🙄🙄🙄

Something seems amiss with many young men these days. I have yet to see a young woman behaving so recklessly on an electric bike.

I have witnessed a number of these thoroughly unpleasant youths come off their bikes, and I simply continue driving without a second glance.

We need more prison capacity. These brats should be held accountable, with no suspended sentences.

I’ve been a mum who had no control over her DC and was afraid for the future. I’m glad to say we got things turned around.
And I have genuine empathy for the mums and for their poor literacy due to being denied schooling by their culture. And for his 18yr old wife and baby.

I have a lot less empathy for the dads and grandads who are the decision makers and culture setters in the community.

And when it comes to tradition and choice, are you telling me that the funerals we’ve seen in recent days are the norm for everyone who dies in that culture? I think not. Ostentation and display, yes, I get that. The scale though, I thought that scale was reserved for leaders in the community.

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If these teens came from a particular community, it’s a pity that community is not condemning what they did and trying to educate other young members of the community not to follow suit. If they can all come together for a massive funeral they can all come together to express sorrow of the innocent lives that have been ruined because of their actions

They did a terrible job of containing their headache.

I really am not trying to cause an argument, and I'm definitely not trying to be funny. I agree that what happened was awful - that the boys who did it behaved dreadfully - were quite possibly awful people. I feel awful for the police who died and their families. I'm just saying - I also feel awful for the boys' families. And I don't extrapolate from what they did to their community. There are huge problems between travellers and non-travellers, some of which create the conditions in which this kind of behaviour happens (including possibly callousness to the victims, because they're "outsiders"). But pejorative discourse about "them" compounds the problem.

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Tell me you know nothing about the travelling community without telling me you know nothing about the travelling community.
It is a polite term. We are no longer allowed to call them what we used to call them.

There were 3 lads killed near where I live recently, 2 early 20's and the other just 17. Speeding on a country road (apparently 120mph) lost control, the car flipped and rolled. Ended up in a farmers field. I got told one of them got thrown out of the car. 3 lives gone, for what? Reckless bravado? SM likes? We've had all the 'what lovely lads' they were etc,
Just lucky there was no other car involved.
I don't know what the answer is, would raising the driving age make any difference? Its a difficult one, but clearly something needs to change.