Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

@JesseDavisGonnaHangOnInThereNSoul God, I love a bit of Scottish swearing. Yep, it's PISH ! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

YABU to post threads with half a story. As the first poster said Reform will very likely just save it for the most severe cases, and chronic conditions. People who need it won't have it taken away.

Just as Keir Starmer was trying to do, and What Andy Burnham might do yet, they're trying to stop the benefit being given to people - younger adults mostly - under 30 - who are getting it for stress, depression, anxiety, and ADHD and the like. Many of who have NO intention of ever working...

It's untenable for these people to be on these benefits for life (and never work) which is what many intend on doing. Some of them have no intention of ever going to work. Millions of people have held down jobs and careers over the years/decades with all kinds of mental health issues, you can't just say 'I'm never working, because I have anxiety!' Even with depression you can't just never work. I know a number of people who have had a lifelong battle with depression, and they have always worked.

There are too many people (as I say mostly under 30 I would say,) who are too 'depressed' to work, or suffer 'anxiety' and cannot possibly hold down a job.. This is a situation that cannot go on.

Not being funny, but back when I was that age, I would have been laughed at, and had my arse kicked out to work (by my parents, and/or the DWP/DSS) if I had said 'I can't work because I am depressed, or have anxiety. Come on, anyone who has a grain of common sense knows this cannot continue. These young people need to get out into the workplace. They can't just never work, and claim benefits until they are 70 when they get their pension.

And yes I KNOW PIP is not always an out of work benefit. I am clearly talking about those claiming it, who DON'T work!

As has been said, PIP (and disability benefits in general) should only be for the more severe cases/chronic illnesses/physical disabilities, not for people (who are mostly in their late teens and 20s) who have 'anxiety.'

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PIP isn’t awarded based on your employment status.

PIP is awarded on how your disability or health condition symptoms affect your daily life.

You say the person you know is capable of working, but then go on to say they have issues with alcohol and drugs and have had a stroke in the past. You don’t make any sense.

It’s better to keep quiet when you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. And be thankful you don’t have a health condition.

Having a cancerous testicle removed does not qualify a person for PIP.
He will, at one stage, have completed a form stating that this has an impact on his day to day life. He will have had to give details of how it limits him, what he cannot do, what help he needs to get by.

He'll remember it. It's a complex and long form and process.

Did he lie? Have things changed?

Next year he will have to fill out a reapplication form. What will he answer to the question 'How does this impact on your day to day life?'

Exactly. Throwing money at people with mental health issues doesn't help them and in fact makes them dependent on the cash and so it ensures that they do not get better.

The money needs to be spent on therapy.

They will certainly get votes on the back of it because PIP needs to be cut and the fact that Labour MPs failed to support that bill and turned on Keir Starmer is the reason they lost ground to Reform in local elections. So Labour will be rinsed in the next elections.

PIP is not means tested, unspecified purpose payment which is ridiculous

@x2boys mine also is a bathroom flooder! He’s flooded us so badly we currently have half a kitchen ceiling in need of plastering. He fucking loves flooding that bathroom. He sneaks in the middle of the night and just flings water everywhere! Absolute menace 😂 if you didn’t laugh you’d cry!

Maybe it's the people of Clacton who don't recieve PIP who have turned out and voted, because they are struggling financially and feeling that the current situation is unfair and unsustainable. How many people on PIP make the effort to vote? Probably not the lazy, layabout ones?

If you have to prove your condition is severe AND enduring AND high risk, the reality is that hardly anyone will qualify. Had your arms and legs blown off in Afghanistan? Sorry, you're no longer at high risk, nothing for you. Got end stage cancer? You'll snuff it soon, that's not enduring. And for sure they're not going to classify any mental illness short of wholesale dementia as "severe".

Have you ever heard of misdion creep ? Especially whete that bunch if charlatans are concerned.

There's this person who's a paraplegic, gets around easily on a super duper chair, owns a market stall and is pregnant and she gets PIP. She has a business, a love life and seems happy! How very dare she claim PIP

I may be mixing reality with fiction i.e. EastEnders.

Did he lie?

Yes, he lied his arse off!

This is why he's so smug about it.

I know. What a meanminded ignorant so and so.

Probably, but do you really believe that Reform are going to do that? Other issues apart, experience with local councils has proved that they are utterly chaotic when in power.

How would having no arms and legs not be severe,unduring and high risk,surely thats a life limiting condition that requires accommodation for life?

Yes, I think you are, and this is known as childishly refusing to believe that some people actually do cheat the system, because it doesn't suit your personal agenda.

Not a good look for you but hey, the forum is anonymous so crack on if you're not too embarrassed.

It is amazing how every single PIP fraudster always smugly boasts about their cheating.

I assume you have reported him? If not you are complicit in him stealing money off us honest taxpayers.

You mean like the winter fuel payment for pensioners?

That “income top up” paid for travel to multiple health appointments, specialist tutoring, replacing things that were damaged and lost directly due to disability, to feed and clothe my kids when my earning capacity was decimated due to the needs created purely by disability.

Additional costs of disability come in many forms, not just the money paid to a private therapist or for specialist aids. The cost of not being able to work is a very real one sustained by many families when caring for a disabled child. Topping up household income is a legitimate use of DLA, evidenced by the eligibility criteria which is that your child needs significantly more care due to disability than a child of the same age not so affected.

Yes that’s right, so Labour had a chance to do it and Starmer tried. As a party who cares about people they could have done it without throwing all disabled people under the bus. His backbenchers rebelled and got rid of him, because they are idiots. If they don’t fix it, then Reform will come in and it will be much worse

like it or not, a lot of people support bringing PIP under control including those who voted Labour in the last election

See my post earlier, that the government could be putting £24,000 pa into their private pension for them; and posters are focusing on PIP at approximately £10,100 pa maximum, if they got the higher rate for care and mobility?

£194.60 a week that is a huge amount of money can’t you recognise that ??

That’s £778 every 4 weeks! That’s a huge amount of money, and many families have multiple children on this plus all the other UC. They will be taking home more than a lot of high income families working full time in a lot of cases.

If you are aware of this then report it. Fraud is a crime.

The WFA is means tested. And it’s the princely sum of £150 a year.

If you think that Reform is going to produce a system that works logically, again you are deluded. The objective, frankly, will be to get rid of nasty grasping disabled people so there's all the more money available for them and their mates.