Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

Difference being pension is paid to those entitled to it. They cant lie about their age. And how else do you expect an 80 year to earn money when theyre too old and incapable? Old age affects us all and renders all of us incapable of physical or mental work at some point. And im not going to provide figures to you of who claims PIP if on a high income. Some will claim. Some wont. The fact is that its availabe to all regardless of income or savings.

Your health condition or disability must have affected you for at least 3 months and expect to be limited for at least another 9 months before you can actually start receiving PIP.

You're making this up aren't you.

If they get low rate, that £933 a month. DLA for children can often mean they can access leasure, childcare and mattresses etc can be replaced. Rent can be topped up so they can have their own bedroom. In other words, a reasonable quality of life. It takes away the poverty that the family would suffer.
So we have the asylum issues and they will have a better quality of life, in their accommodation, than disabled people. That won't cause excessive rioting, will it? We won't have people thinking life is so tough, might as well be in prison. Suicides won't go up, will they? People will look to health and social care, so no money saved. Then we have people having less money to spend, which will end a lot of businesses in many towns. People will become homeless, that will cost Councils way beyond their current budgets. I know a lot of private hire drivers get low rate PIP, a lot of working people will go into poverty. It's hard enough to make a living in some jobs, without a disability on top.
Who will decide who can work? I'll guarantee it won't be qualified doctors, who'll understand the exhaustion/malnourishment that having a stoma, for example, can bring. Or that hearing aids don't consistently work like ears do and not everyone can work in a noisy environment. Or the tiredness that comes with EDHS (Heds) and the drop in the immune system which means weeks of sickness. DlA/PIP supports disabled people in education.

We've just put an Italian drug dealer in prison for six years, that's £60k a year, deport foreign criminals. Tough shit if they are going back to a war zone. Look at attendance allowance. I know pensioners who had cancer once, got it and years kater don't need it. One man has just sold his family home for £160k because obviously he's had a few property inheritances. But we need sensible conversations around asylum and immigration and offering ongoing support, including residency to people, as we did the Ukrainians. If we are running out of money, we can give refuge to the rest of the world.

You dont need to visit a third world country to know what one is.....

@happybug1234

Can you clarify how you came up with that number

I don't believe a word of what that poster has written.

yes that too. But there was a whole proposed reform about PIP etc which these cowards did not want to entertain and they derailed it

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If it genuinely is for the extra costs associated with being disabled why can’t we have an ‘expense reclaim’ type system, where you would pay for the help you need and reclaim the expense.

I don’t think 2 week all inclusives are what PIP is designed for

It's not over £9k a month for three disabled children as you were claiming a few posts back.

I am not going to waste my time arguing the toss with someone who makes up utter rubbish in order to demonise disabled people. Enjoy your Sunday.

He is a liar.

He has lied to them repeatedly.

And no, of I'm not making it up.

What's wrong with you that you cannot accept this?

Then report him. Fraud is a crime.

He probably won’t as the majority of PIP awards have been extended to 2030 or beyond.

So nearly one in five people of working age in Clackton are disabled? I find that astonishing.

I am now in Poland. The unemployed people here clean up the streets every morning. If they don't do it, they lose their status, the benefit and the insurance (free healthcare access). They have their equivalent of PIP but it's never awarded over the phone. You've got to go through some kind of face-to-face commission interview, it's quite scary, I guess. I don't think it's possible here to get anything on anxiety/mental health, people here laugh out loud and point to their heads when I mentioned this.

You just made up a story about people you saw on a holiday.

The figure you quote is the highest level of DLA available.
That level of need would severely impact the life and earning capacity of the whole family.

Do you think children who qualify for DLA should not have a holiday? A little bit of fun and sun on a beach for one or two weeks a year? If as a society we can't provide this then there's no point in society.0

I don’t. Parts of it are among the most deprived parts of the country with the inevitable impact on health.

£194.60 pw is far less than your original claim and also less than your ‘corrected’ claim.

For many, their disability related costs are higher than £194.60 pw.

If you had a system that was based on the actual cost of expenses, the cost to the State would actually increase. It would also cost more to implement.

I have multiple DC on PIP. We spend far more on their additional needs than we receive in benefits. DC’s benefits don’t touch the sides of their disability related expenses. I will swap if you want. But you have to take all their disabilities, all the related costs and all the stress, exhaustion and admin of caring for them.

An unworkable system, that has been mentioned on threads like this before. Usually by posters with no knowledge, or care, of the amount of admin that it would place on the shoulders of disabled people, who already have enough to cope with in their everyday lives. Just burden disabled people with more added pressures, and lets see how that will work out in Societies favour.

You have to pay the difference out of your pocket. You don’t get to pick a luxury car for fee.

1 amendment might be if a person gets PIP then don't give them disability element under UC as this gives double credit for having the disability

UC is a means tested, and out of work benefit. PIP is not.
They are totally different benefits awarded for different things with different criteria.
No one is getting a "double credit" for the same thing at all. Seeing how PIP can be as low as £30pw, how could someone live on that?

There were plans to make the health element of UC only go to people who also claim PIP. Which makes no sense.

The only people I know who support Reform are recipients of PIP. It’s interesting that Reform are proposing this as many of their supporters are likely to be on benefits. But it’s a cult really so I doubt it’ll stop the support.

Yes I made a mistake as I was juggling multiple things whilst typing.

It is obvious to anyone the nearly £800 per claimant a month is a huge amount of money and totally unsustainable. It’s not far off what someone working full time on minimum wage would be taking home after tax.

working and middle income people like myself have had enough now. It’s all got totally out of hand and this is why parties like reform are getting so popular. I look around and think, well what have I got to lose, the country is in the decline and everyone is on the take. If people like you spent more time listening to the concerns of the working people rather than attacking them things might be a bit better.

Ok fair enough.

Do you have a toilet? Running water? 999 to call? A light bulb you can switch on? A local school? A library? A fully stocked grocery shop nearby? Roads?

In what ways is "The UK is slowing sinking to the level of a third world country"?

The government is not putting anything in their private pension, what a ludicrous post. They save an amount in exorbitant taxes they pay. The rules are the same for everyone but just because tax rate on high earners is so high they save more than lower earners by contributing to pension.

if you make a lot of money and pay a lot of taxes (10% of earners pay 60% of income tax receipts) and get almost nothing in government support (free childcare hours, tax free allowance, etc etc) this is literally the only thing that’s left. People who contribute very little should not be complaining about that. They are free to earn more and enjoy same saving