Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

You're wondering why people would choose conventional mainstream parties over neo fascistic ones such as Restore?

Most people in the UK are still moderate. They're not hard/far right and they reject the hate and division pedalled by parties that are. Look at recent by election results. Reform have almost exclusively lost, among evidence of tactical voting to keep them out. You think there's a "strong chance" Farage would be our next PM; I say look at the evidence. There's very little to say he wants to be, let alone that voters would allow it. Opinion polls three years before the fact do not translate into majorities in the event and only a zealot or fool would insist they do.

No you can’t. PIP is awarded on need not diagnosis and the bar is high as it the evidence required. Saying “I have ‘severe’ depression” is not evidence of support needs and will get you nowhere. Trust me I have another child who has attempted suicide several times, has a string of disabilities and severe MH conditions and is under tier 3 services with a string of medication and admissions. She did not qualify for PIP even though she has to spend £300 a month on taxis to get to hugely important appointments and the evidence she has is very robust.

Idk either there’s a lot up in the air atm. Three years is a long time, a week is a long time in politics.

Ik I can handle it better with AB than KS but no idea how it will pan out. I think for the sake of MH and not trying to guess it’s just easier to wait and not try to predict.

it will then mean more peek out of work - so higher cost for tax payer. It doesn't make sense to take money away from people with disabilities that are working - as then the cost to them to work will be far greater and they'll stop working

Absolutely agree. Just pointing out that that poster might be in a trial area., Online applications don’t do away with the need for assessments though, as you rightly point out,

The down payment would be around £15,000 plus the £10,500 over three years paid monthly. Then the car goes back and is sold by motability who keep the money. Did you read the twelve times thing in the Daily Mail? If not, show me how you worked it out.

They're on something, that's for sure.

BMW also aren’t available on motability, so very odd @Twogreenbottles is pretending they are.

Wow, it's like bingo.

And how do you propose they exaggerate the medical evidence needed to support the claim? If the anxiety and depression is treated by primary care - GP with first line anti depressants/referrals for therapy or CBT then PIP won’t be awarded unless there are proven exceptions. The DWP aren’t stupid as much as you’d like us to think they are. Go and look at the actual descriptors for mental health PIP claims and then come back and tell me it’s easy to get around them.

Oh, evidence shows that the benefits bill isn't spiralling out of control! Well...well it should be less anyway to give the tax payers (as opposed to those disabled scroungers who've never contributed a penny in their lives) a break!

What's that? Even if benefits were abolished tomorrow the "tax payer" wouldn't see the slightest positive difference? But...but... (insert some other meaningless rubbish) .

Discuss ☺️

Restore have the fastest growing membership in living memory, the polls I was reacting to were saying Farage will not be PM, so not really sure what your point is? You say he doesn"t want to be PM, what are his 35 years in politics about then, just a hobby?

Exactly. Some people think that slashing the benefits bill mean more money in their pocket. It won't. They also seem to think that their neighbour who claims all the UC and PIP will be chucked off it, and walk into a job the next day.
They will just see more people in poverty, more crime, and more pressure on the NHS and social services.

Can you post a graph with benefits claims over the years, say from the 1980"s to now, that would make things more clear?

Your friend should only be using the blue badge when her husband is in the car. It belongs to the person not the car. Have you reported her for doing that?

We regularly take my aunt to the coast and use her blue badge so we can park in a disabled space as she is unable to walk far. We have my nephew's surf board on the roof too. If anyone saw my aunt they would be hard pressed to think it was her using it to get some blue juice.

Look at some of the horrific people elected around the world.

There's a market for it.

this is not semantics. One. The higher earner’s already disproportionately fund everything.

Two. everyone contributing to private pensions (which is meant to ease the load on the state, remember?) has the same deal - the salary sacrifice is taken out of gross salary so everyone saves on the tax rate they pay. Higher earners save more only because the rate they pay is a lot higher

three. There is an annual maximum threshold, the threshold gets tapered it for really high earners and remember, pension is also taxed later on.

so to represent is that the government pays higher earners anything into the pension is just ludicrous

Restore
Reform
Reclaim

So many parties. So few prefixes.

Are you comparing the Restore leader, "Rupert" as some call him now, a bit like clowns in the pub in the 90"s talking about "Liam and Noel" as if they were mates, are you comparing him to some of these global "horrific people", not sure that stands up to scrutiny TBH?

You can't sensibly believe that. Why would anyone be poor, or homeless, or use a food bank if you could just fill in a form online, attach a GP note and get PIP?

And so many people doing any mental gymnastics to avoid looking at reality, anyone who thinks AB or God forbid The Greens, LOL, is the answer needs their head examined.

Make what more clear ? PIP wasn’t a benefit in the 1980’s. It was introduced in 2013. The criteria for benefit along with the demographics in the UK and diagnostic/medical advances have changed a lot in that time so even if such figures existed they wouldn’t prove anything that’s being discussed here.

Well in 2016 he did say" I don't want to be Prime Minister"

When you say '35 years in politics' are you allowing for the 20 years as an MEP when he failed to attend, vote, show up for the committees he was on or carry out his duties?

To be fair though, he started his political hobby early singing nazi songs at school.

So many people (including Jenrick) trying to distract us from the reality that Farage is facing investigation for quietly squirreling away a £5 million pound gift.

Do you know why they all use the same prefix?

I agree.

But it’s the reform voters all predicting reform will be in power.

Based on opinion rather than historical voting figures which would indicate that despite their rise in popularity it isn’t anywhere close to indicating that will happen.

@TemperanceWestsaid it best above.