Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

It might fall into that category, but it would need a psychiatrist involvement and a mental health team. A gp’s say-so counts for nothing, nor would cbt or any form of “counselling”. You need to prove the effect on your life.

Yep, paying profit making care companies £3k a week for a care placement so their carer family members can go out to work makes much more sense than paying £400/month in DLA. The problem with removing the benefit is that it doesn’t remove the need, it just passes it on to another, more expensive, part of the system.

The country may well be bankrupt, it won’t be less bankrupt by paying to support disabled people in the community through formal care arrangements.

Yeah. We know how statistics work.

I already said in my post it wasn't the only condition but the DWP categorise it as the main condition since it's the one the claimant mostly reports as causing their disability.

Do you have an explanation for why mixed anxiety and depression is the most awarded disabling conditions when they literally can't be proven because they rely on what the person says rather than any medical evidence?

Do you think it's possible that because of that, this benefit may be being abused?

Possibly Reform doing a deal with the Tories and Restore in the mix, but there is a strong chance Farage could be PM IMO, the present fuck up is a Tory/Labour problem but yet people still seem to want to cling to these parties and resist change, wonder why?

Its frustating isnt it ?
I have just done my sons PIP form recently as he was 16 in may so hes moving over from DLA
Hea severly autistic in a special school for children with severe and profound learning disabillities and i have sent off a copy of his EHCP
Risk assesmennt from school for when he needs restraint
Copies if incidents from when hes needed restraint
And a comprehensive risk assement and care plan from his respite provision
Maybe i shouldnt have bothered if
As appaerently its so easy to get it without evidence 🤔

Surely under the mobility scheme cars are leased for three years and paid for by a combination of the pip payments, which can mean the whole pip payment depending of the cost of the car, and the user's own money as anything on top of their pip allowance is paid by the person using the car.

So anyone who gets a 'luxury' car under the scheme would be paying the vast majority of the cost of the car themselves.

They are not being bought luxury cars by the mobility scheme.

It's rather similar to all the amazing perks a reform supporter was telling me about recently that asylum seekers are supposedly given.

It's what Farage and his followers want people to believe because encouraging anger and division between different factions of society suits his narrative.

Oh dear. Hate to burst your bubble but people have to pay for that service and they are trying to get clients.Anxiety and depression is not the most successful condition on their list and for those that have it and claim pip many like
my daughter will a have a list of additional serious conditions too.For some their anxiety and depression will be so severe they’ll need high level of services and support which is hard to get and will come with a lot of evidence that well qualifies them for pip.

There is nothing to say how PIP is spent though. If people work how do you gauge how much of their income is spent on the things you mention, and how much is actually supporting the extra cost of disability ? A hobby for someone with a MH condition may be an important part of their life, so is a viable disability related cost.

This is the problem with most people’s perception of disability related costs. Upthread someone mentioned having to provide receipts for extra costs and put in a claim for the expense. How do you do that if you’re incontinent and your energy bills are higher for the amount of bathing/showering/laundry, or you have to pay for incontinence protection ? I had people on my caseload who lived alone and had severe mobility problems. Everything from mowing the grass to changing a lightbulb was beyond their capability. When you’re living with substantial disability, everything costs money and not all of it is quantifiable. That’s why disability benefits are not assessed by direct cost - the level of disability is a good indicator of how much extra living with that disability is likely to cost.

Every party has recognised the issue. Other parties aren’t coming out with dumb ideas that will put huge numbers of people out of work and bankrupt companies alongside leaving every one of us at the mercy of who employs us should we fall ill long term.

What are you talking about?

What service?

This is a disability advocacy website.

They don't offer any services to anyone.

Interesting so many people think Reform voters are all on pip.

No, everything is not falling apart in plain sight.
My town this week has been full of crews repairing the road.
I caught the bus to the nearest city and then took a train to London last week.
Used the underground. All working perfectly.
I drove my brother to the big NHS hospital near him last week. He was treated brilliantly by the staff there.
Firefighters and emergency workers have been dealing with fires across the country all week.
The TV, radio, utility, communications networks all worked perfectly all week.
Millions of people went out and volunteered.
Millions of people went to work and came home safely.
Millions of people flew off on holiday and came home safely.
The schools will welcome a whole new year of students in a few weeks time.

Honestly - you're not looking and are just churning out 'like a third world country' cliches because it's nonsense you've heard other people say.

That list comes up again and again. It wasn’t meant for the consumption of the general judgmental public. It’s for professional outreach workers who know how to interpret the data. As one of those professionals I can tell you that the only successful PIP claims for primary care treated anxiety and depression I had on my caseload were those who also had other physical disability. DWP classify the main disabling condition from the PIP claim but as with everything else, it’s the interpretation that matters, and it’s not always correct.

You have to pay for their services and advice.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/how-to-subscribe

True in part.
But my reply was to someone saying the percentage of people paying tax has dropped. It has not.

PIP should be means tested, and the savings should be reinvested in social care and for those who needed it the most.

I have a friend whose husband claims PIP whilst doing the same job as me, he has a blue badge too, despite zero mobility issues, he gets almost a thousand pounds a month. My friend uses the blue badge for free parking at work or in town when shopping in their expensive brand new Audi. He doesn’t need the extra money for care, his condition is controlled by medication, my friend got savvy though and used the Facebook groups etc to fill out the forms and get him the maximum.

I have just returned from holiday and every other disabled space had an Audi or Mercedes parked in it, including some tosser with a blue badge who parked there £70k Mercedes on a lifeboat reserved area, with kayaks and surf boards on the roof..

I have no issue with supporting people who need it, and I am sorry for people who find it hard to claim what they need, but blame the idiots like my friend and others who absolutely abuse the system, and have no shame hiding it either

Maybe it is a stable percentage of GDP but it would be nicer if it were a smaller percentage to give the tax payers a bit of a rest. Tax thresholds have been fixed for many years now for several tax paying classes that affect ordinary working people and retirement pensioners.
Perhaps we just freeze the benefit rate including PIP for a few years. Sauce for the goose - sauce for the gander.
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And to be a member and benefit from all their services you have to pay a subscription. And yes they do offer services - help with form filling and advice on how to make the best disability benefit claim, being among them.

No, she said that making employers responsible for the first two years sickness costs would impact their recruitment decisions, meaning women of child bearing age, menopausal women (and others) would be less likely to be employed. She didn’t suggest menopausal women can or should claim PIP, she listed groups that would be inadvertently adversely affected by such a policy.

The condition is irrelevant, you don’t need to be diagnosed with a condition to receive PIP, that’s not even a requirement. You don’t get disability benefits for having a certain condition, not least anxiety, you get awarded it for how severely your daily life is affected and your ability to perform basic care tasks.

This is only awarded after filing out 40something pages of lengthy answers and pages and pages of supporting evidence.

You asked how the percentage of tax payers had changed.
I told you this -
10 years ago 52% of the UK population paid tax.
Now it's 64%.

Do you understand how percentages work?

It's a measure of the part of people who pay tax in relation to the whole number of people.

Crikey.

Restore, the party that accepts donations from neo nazi who wants another Hitler? You remember how they saw disabled people?

They really have no idea! I bet all your paper work was so stressful. It’s such a kick in the teeth when we’re called “scroungers”.

Luckily it’s just your opinion.

Reform have 5 MPs.

How that translates to having enough with Restores 1 and all the loss of faith in the Tories who put is here is a stretch of the imagination!

Especially when nearly all the Tory’s defected to Reform why would they do a coalition? They don’t think the Tory party did enough?

Idk who will win the next GE but surely it’ll be based on numbers of MPs then not 2024