Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

That's because it's not true.

No I think you are. 🙄

But what does the person live off whikst their physio is being done.

Im not a pip claimant but when I had physio for a problem with my hip, it was a multi year process to get ok.

Cutting overseas aid is a bad idea. It's not an altruistic act, it's reciprocal. Even if not, every small cut in overseas aid results in disproportionate amounts of deaths, ill health and suffering. Is that in any country's interest?

Asylum seekers get very minimal support; cutting that would make little to no difference to anything (except increased hardship for already traumatised people which I see as a bad thing although you might not).

Not a chance. This is rage bait.

Other than the fact that you haven't understood my point, what evidence leads you to the conclusion that the UK can't afford social security?

I hope it all works out for you and you find the field work beneficial 🥰

It's such bollocks, isn't it? Do you think it's done deliberately for political reasons, or they've got themselves confused with Top Cashback?

I’m not about to start voting Reform but I do respect parties that make grown up, tough decisions rather than stuck their heads in the sand. I voted Labour at the last election. I had no idea that Keir would be such a wimp on e.g. ending the triple lock. It’s insanity continuing with the triple lock. I had no idea that Keir would be so happy to ignore the economic damage.

I asked that poster upthread somewhere why they thought a benefit designed to help with the extra cost of disability should be means tested, and also how they would decide how the thresholds were set. Given that means testing means you could end up with the disparity of someone with moderate disability getting more support than someone with severe disability simply because of their income, I though they were important points worthy of discussion. Oddly enough I still haven’t had an answer !!

Regardless of voting intentions the welfare bill is going up so much that the country won't be able to afford it soon. Our productivity in the UK is terrible as well. Things are going to change in the next few years regardless of who votes for who. I am not counting on my state pension at all as I think it will become means-tested like Australia. I hope that those in charge are able to direct resources to those who need it (those with disabilities/ poor pensioners) so they don't miss out. We need the economy to grow so that we can support those who need it.

We can absolutely guarantee that neither Tories or Reform will cut off a penny from pensioner benefits.

Yep. Plus, the assessments for PIP can be hours long. Gruelling stuff.

Reform types I’ve met are one step away for advocating euthanasia for people with a disability. They’re a nasty bunch.

I thought pps point was employers would avoid menopausal women if they had to pay for sick leave for 2 years as menopause is a risk factor for bone things, heart health and mental health, lime lots of people get new onset depression or discover they had adhd all along.

Clearly not everyone! But employers can be pretty discriminatory about age already so many over 50s struggle to find work as it is..

How is making companies responsible for the first two years of sick pay a tough grown up decision? It’s idiotic.

Almost as stupid as saying they are going to give CBT for all mental health patients regardless of illness or ability to engage with it and physio for all physical disabilities.

It’s hysterical not tough or grown up.

The "welfare" (benefits) bill is stable as a percentage of GDP so to claim that it's about to bankrupt the nation is nothing but scaremongering.

I know - the naivety is scary. Unless you have engaged with the PIP system you have absolutely no idea how easily you can be royally screwed. I’ve accompanied disabled people to appeal tribunals where the DWP have been roundly criticised for even allowing the case to get in front of the judges because their mistake in denying benefit has been so evident, as has the arrogance with which the claimant has been treated.

it sounds like he had a sense of humour. I have also heard them called "Dole Polls".
What he said, or the speed at which he picked his stick up, tells you absolutely nothing about his benefits, or that he is "proud" to be on them. You made that up.
PIP is not an out of work benefit.

The quote from that poster specifically linked menopause to claiming PIP.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/success-rates

This is a disability advocacy website.

This is a list of the % of successful claims for 500 claimed for disability conditions.

If you go to how to claim each individual condition it tells you how that condition is rated in the list.

Mixed anxiety and depression is the MOST CLAIMED for main conditions successfully awarded PIP.

https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-health-conditions/claim-pip-for-mixed-anxiety-and-depression

People seriously need to do some research before they claim things on MN.

Anxiety alone is 17/500. Adult ADHD a condition not even recognised by the NHS till 2000 is 14/500. Depression alone is 17/500. Writers cramp is included on the list as a main condition receiving an award.

And before anyone says 'that doesn't mean main condition/s', it's just categorised alphabetically so ADHD, Anxiety, and Autism look like the main condition because A lbut that's not not the main reason for the award because there's usually lots of other things.

Not true. I mean it's true that often there are other conditions but the DWP categorise it on what the form said was the main disabling condition. If it said cancer and ADHD but the reasons for impairment were that the person said ADHD was causing them more impairment, the DWP list that as the main condition.

Yep. It’s a fact. And one which successive governments of all colours like to avoid because it doesn’t support the narrative of benefit cutting for the most vulnerable in the country.

They are prepared to recognise and try to address the issue. Labour are doing f-all, not even recognising the issue. Recognising the issue is always the first step (see also violence in schools, soaring immigration, lack of housing). I want to see the government acknowledging that paying every more for improbably high rises in PIP is an issue.

Borrowing is growing massively. 10% of all the UK spends is on interest repayments and Labour is increasing this debt, not reducing it. How’s that being grown up?

I’ve posted about this list many times before. It’s intended for professional disability support workers and misinterpreted a LOT. The main disabling in many cases is not the only condition. And you need to look at the number of people claiming as well as the success rate. Because if only four people are claiming for a particular disability and the success rate is 50% then that means that two people are claiming.

I work with people with long term conditions (predominantly serious mental health conditions). I would say 90% claim PIP; 5% of the people who claim and I work with are looking to use that to support them into work/travel etc, 95% of my clients DON'T work and use the PIP money for other purposes, they spend it on food/cigarettes/alcohol/hobbies.

System needs rebooting in some way.