Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

Why didn"t they give care workers a £20 per hour minimum wage instead of bailing out the housing bubble in that case? You don"t actually believe that importing economic migrants to do care work on the cheap is "setting the bar high" do you?

We're not just talking mental health support but support for all those deemed as not being disabled enough. So I ask again where will the help come from?

How? Those who really need mental health support aren’t getting anything. Children and adults are left until they’re attempting suicide and even then they’re just patched up and sent off with nothing and left to get worse. Really serious conditions are not getting the treatment needed which means the treatable is left to get untreatable with people who could have been saved ending up in inpatient wards costing the tax payer thousands.

So where is it coming from?

So Reform saying "Lets help our own" and then saying "lets fuck our own over"....

Didn't see that one coming eh?

You can’t get pip for anxiety and depression. The bar for mental health disabilities is very high.

Yep. Wouldn’t disagree with this. I’ve taken part in many a thread on the subject, as I think have you, and there are so many assumptions made about mental health and posters always seem to know someone who’s made a successful claim despite just taking a few pills from their GP. Which those of us who have actually engaged in the PIP process know is nonsense.

There is no detail because Reform has indicated they will provide further information on how this will work on Monday. Attention grabbing headline from Robert Jenrick.

Surely it’s more sensible to provide physio for someone with back pain, for example, than have them sitting at home on benefits?

And ‘menopausal women’?? Has that suddenly become some sort of disability? It’s just a normal part of female aging. Why on earth would they need PIP?

I haven’t worked out what the purpose of the announcement is yet. I would have thought it’s a vote loser among disabled people and their families, not to mention HCP’s and carers.

I disagree about taking away so called luxury cars. Apart from anything, those that were removed were what people would typically view as "luxury" - a symbolic gesture. I believe you can still get a Polestar! Their removal was about how we construct disability within narrow parameters and how people are meant to perform disability. This involves being humble and grateful for whatever is bestowed upon you, living within society's ideals of disability - using your car for shopping and medical appointments rather than social and leisure, and always knowing that you are not quite on par with the average non-disabled citizen. People pay for their motability leases including, quite often, large upfront payments so there is no reason not to allow them free choice on the basis that they're disabled.

Abd when the physio doesn't work?

From cuts to overseas aid and support for economic migrants and asylum seekers as a starting point, then it is coming from educating people that feeling mildly anxious doesn"t mean you can"t participate in the world of work, and also getting kids off social media/phones and educating them about the dangers of weed and other drugs for mental health, also less people in the country means less strain on NHS and other support services,and remember that the fuck up you describe is happening under a Labour government off the back of 14 years of Tory nonsense, nothing at all to do with Reform.

They don’t however if companies are going to be taking on sickness payment for the first two years they will look at demographics that could cause them to have to pay out and avoid employing them. It’s such a stupid idea.

Its not about defining groups, its about affordability to the country and guess what?! We can't afford to keep paying out!!!!

😂You're talking nonsense.

Do you want disabled people
in work paying taxes or not?

No but having having a very large sum of money available makes those additional costs a hell of a lot easier to manage than someone who doesn't! Very simple really isnt it?!

That assumes that they are all thick and don"t understand that the country is bankrupt? Reform know that the people who vote for them are way smarter than the diddies who keep voting for the virtue signaling parties that think they have a free money tree in the back garden.

They'll provide it on Monday the 12th of never because, like all their policies, it's red meat, attention grabbing unworkable crap.

This makes my blood boil. You do NOT get PIP simply by completing an online form. Shame on you for telling such a whopping, dangerous lie.

You're missing the point 🙄🙄

The vast majority of those claimants I supported with a ‘bad back’ had a substantial health condition as the underlying cause, and absolutely met the criteria for PIP. And menopause is not a disability. You can’t claim PIP for it unless, again, it meets the eligibility criteria. For some women menopause brings on significant symptoms which are long term and debilitating, so if they meet the bar for PIP it’s not unreasonable to claim.

I think there’s a misconception about PIP here. It isn’t awarded because you are disabled. The disability itself doesn’t matter - it’s the impact of that disability on day to day life that counts, as a way of assessing the likely extra costs.

Do you bother to read this post?

Rosscameasdoody · Today 15:38
I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding and even ‘well I know someone who……..’ around the question of mental health conditions and PIP. I was a disability outreach worker for over twenty years and heavily involved with PIP at all stages. The bar for a stand alone mental health claim for PIP is set very high. Generally, if you have anxiety or depression treated solely by a GP - standard anti depressants, talking therapy, CBT referrals etc, you won’t get PIP because simple anxiety and depression treated by primary care doesn’t meet that bar.
The vast majority of the stand alone MH PIP claimants I dealt with had very severe ND or MH conditions such as various psychoses, schizophrenia, BPD, bipolar disorder etc. There were also those with severe OCD, learning disability, or difficult eating disorders. They required specialist input from consultant led secondary care mental health teams, many had been hospitalised and were heavily medicated and monitored and a good proportion had ended up in the justice system before they could get the help they needed - such is the state of MH services in the UK.
The current criteria for MH PIP claims is available online and demonstrates the high degree of disability and evidence claimants need. The only claimants I was involved with who were awarded on simple GP treated anxiety and depression, also had physical disability.

Really? Under Reform?

If a persons symptoms from their anxiety disorder or depression affect their daily life and stops them from doing tasks independently and safely then yes they are entitled to PIP.

PIP is not awarded on a diagnosis of “anxiety” or “depression”. It is awarded by how much your symptoms affect your daily life.

People seem to think you can apply for PIP and say “I’m anxious/depressed” and you get PIP. That is not the case at all.