Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

If you are able to work and get a wage why do you need PIP? I understand if you are physically disabled but not if you're anxious or depressed

Totally agree. People seem to be naive if they think nobody would scam the system that makes it easy for them.

What a surprise...

'Look over here a small boat!' and 'look other there, a disabled scrounger' is all that this bunch of hateful losers seem to be able to come up with to try to drum up votes.

That won't distract the majority of the public from the investigations into the party dodgy donations and the fact that Farage made a fool of himself with his Clacton tantrum.

It sounds like the joke just went massively over your head.

I think that’s quite likely. Motability makes a significant contribution to the UK car industry, both in new car sales and in the used car market. To be honest, I broadly supported removing luxury models - I can understand the criticisms. The goal is to keep disabled people mobile, not to enhance their experience above that of non disabled people.

I support restricting high end specs for most, too - they’ve mainly done this by pricing, but those who can demonstrate they need them for disability related reasons, such as wheelchair access, auto transmission, or easier access will be exempt. I think the removal of tax breaks and other concessions is a bit of a step too far and I wonder if it was designed to appease the critics more than anything else. Even those who are exempted from VAT on disability related products will be expected to pay VAT on the vehicle/insurance where necessary and this has already led to higher advance payments, higher insurance premiums and excesses and an increase in the provision of aids and adaptations enabling many disabled people to drive.

As you say, for many, it will no longer be viable and it kind of undermines what the scheme was intended for - to improve independence for disabled people by providing easier and cheaper access to a vehicle and carefree motoring.

Will they? You do realise that eligibility criteria for support from local authorities is literally that you need to be ok crisis, that local authorities aren’t actually meeting their existing statutory duties so where is this additional resource going to come from?

Removing disability benefits and passing provision to the local authority will be exponentially more expensive, talk about shooting ourselves in the foot.

So how exactly will means testing help do you think ?

Yes! It's bollocks!

No they won’t, they don’t currently and it will cost a massive amount of money to organise.

For private therapy, transport, private physio, aids… all sorts of things.

I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding and even ‘well I know someone who……..’ around the question of mental health conditions and PIP. I was a disability outreach worker for over twenty years and heavily involved with PIP at all stages. The bar for a stand alone mental health claim for PIP is set very high. Generally, if you have anxiety or depression treated solely by a GP - standard anti depressants, talking therapy, CBT referrals etc, you won’t get PIP because simple anxiety and depression treated by primary care doesn’t meet that bar.

The vast majority of the stand alone MH PIP claimants I dealt with had very severe ND or MH conditions such as various psychoses, schizophrenia, BPD, bipolar disorder etc. There were also those with severe OCD, learning disability, or difficult eating disorders. They required specialist input from consultant led secondary care mental health teams, many had been hospitalised and were heavily medicated and monitored and a good proportion had ended up in the justice system before they could get the help they needed - such is the state of MH services in the UK.

The current criteria for MH PIP claims is available online and demonstrates the high degree of disability and evidence claimants need. The only claimants I was involved with who were awarded on simple GP treated anxiety and depression, also had physical disability.

From where? Do you think that it would be cheaper for the Government (or councils), to pay for carers than it would for someone to use their PIP allowance to fund their care? In case it has escaped you adult social care (which isn't just about care homes and the elderly btw), and mental health services are on their knees so who, exactly, is going to be funding this "help" you think those on PIP will get?

No, the joke is on you (if you are a taxpayer that is?)

It will be funded in the same way, a person who needs mental health support (really needs it) will get it, weed smoking chancers who play video games and talk shite all day will be cut loose, they can do field work it will be very very good for them in the long run.

I’m now actually gutted I’m not able to claim that rate at £22k a year on top of my FT job where I earn £35k (for tax,NI and pension!) as well as the £2-300 a month of that PIp that’s spent on equipment.

Also a car. If motability is scrapped and its expense claims then being the carer for a wheelchair user who cannot drive (medically) surely means I can claim for that expense as it’s a disability need?
What About the petrol? After all that’s also a need. Oh and the insurance and the adaptions we currently pay for to the mobility car every 3 years must be claimable too? Because he needs the car due to his disability.

Oh oh oh - o must also be able to
claim for the hours it’s games me to drive him because he cannot drive or walk because of is disability.

Also surely all the gas and electric etc used whilst I’m at work is claimable? The expense is due to a disabled person being at home as they can’t work. So although I’m paying the bill it’s not my gas and electric. So surely I shouldn’t be paying for it?

Im beginning to think this scrapping £778 of PIP a month for a claimable system would actually be much more financially beneficial for me.

Because let’s face it. When I’m not at work 90% of what I do and my costs are to support disabled ds.

Not quite the aim Reform are going for 😂😂

So you think all disabled people are weed smoking chancers ? Because the instance of fraud within the disability benefits system is very low. Unfortunately the likes of the Daily Mail like to exaggerate this to support whatever the narrative of the government of the day in welfare reform and whatever cuts or changes are to come, it will only be the genuine claimants that will be affected, because the plain fact is that the more severe the disability the more it costs.

'Pip stick'. That is a new one, and should be added to the MN PIP bingo list!

This! It’s absolutely spot on.

They managed to organise a mass bailout for the bankers when their property bubble burst in 2008, we will bumble through.

Stop generalising to try and shut down other people"s real world experience, of course not all disabled people are weed smoking chancers.

Bumbling through isn’t setting the bar very high for the most vulnerable in society is it ?

Well if someone is epileptic (which is not a physical disability) the money awarded for PIP helps to get to work when they have their license suspended for 12 months post seizure.

I agree but i thnk the reasons people think that people get pip for smxiety and depression easily is becuase as soon as PIP for mental health is mentioned its often assumed its anxiety and depression aa severe and enduring mental illness is rarely talked about
Also most of us have had mild anxiety and depression so some posters assume its always mild and easily treated with exercise and getting out and about