Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

It'll be even more on its knees if you cut benefits .

Lots of disabled people who are able do voluntary work. Also where is this therapy coming from? My autistic son was refused any help from CAMHS. 2 of my other children have been refused sleeping medication. They would much rather sleep all night and not need DLA and so would I.

In fairness when they were in power the Tories approach seemed to be “you don’t try to fix the economy”.

When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need.

And how exactly is that any different to this Government and the previous one?

This. I think what most people here are missing is that simply eliminating the benefit doesn’t eliminate the need. I’ve spent twenty odd years in disability support and it’s my experience that many people use PIP in conjunction with carers allowance to secure care from family - often because social care is inadequate for their needs. If PIP is cut it won’t save any money because these people will simply transfer their needs to the social care system which is a lot more expensive and already on its knees. That serves neither the tax payer nor the disabled persons themselves.

Because the previous government and so far this one haven’t pledged to scrap a benefit which supports millions of genuinely disabled people and to opt to just support the most severely disabled instead. Because they know that it will just shift costs onto social care and far from saving money, will probably end up costing the tax payer even more.

So there'd be an NI cut for all employers?

What would stop them banking this and still not employing anyone more likely to need sick pay?

Explain how that applies to the current government? With examples from policy and rhetoric if you can.

I'm not sure what about my comments infers that I'm a criminal. Would you like to expand?

And you sound like someone who has very little idea of the cost of disability for people who aren’t permanently in wheelchairs and ‘can’t move’. Severe disability comes in many different forms and with different levels of cost. Disability benefits are paid at two different levels to reflect the level of disability and likely cost of supporting it.

Agree.

Great. From what i've read, the genuine claimants will be fine, the fakers have something to worry about.

Reform have said they would scrap PIP. That is going to affect everyone on it, "genuine" or otherwise.

Damn. Now LordFarquar whatever will never be able to explain why they accuse an anonymous internet stranger of being a thief on the basis that said internet stranger asked them not to talk about disabled people in derogatory terms.

I'll just have to put it down to people being weird sometimes.

I read an article about a recent study into PIP claimants that concluded that almost all illness was genuine, but it questioned why people in the UK were significantly sicker than before the pandemic.

I also read separately that there was a rise in young people claiming for neurodivergence and mental ill health.

Conclusions were that it was likely down to a mix of an ageing population, alongside longer waits for treatment / support, long Covid - wish I could find the link to it, perhaps someone else can.

Personally the payments feel like they aren’t tackling the real issues in some cases. If you have a long term condition, it’s probably different, but a friend of mine claims PIP because she has an old childbirth injury and is now incontinent and in too much pain to work. She’s been told she has to wait months for surgery. She will receive at least a years worth of PIP payments until she’s fit and well again - it would be cheaper for the taxpayer (and kinder to my friend) to fast track her surgery so she can feel well again and get back to work.

And as for young people’s mental health. It’s hardly surprising some are struggling! The world is a confusing place right now. I’m not convinced that paying them money without any other support or context is the right approach unless it helps them.

It's nice that you think that's how these things play out.

No. Us genuine claimants won’t be fine.

Reform UK hate us. We’ve already got idiots on this thread telling us we’re not “disabled enough”.

Reform are a bunch of cruel bastards. Luckily they will never get anywhere near power.

Well Labour are in power now, let’s see how they do. Not decreasing jobs would be a start. Then more people wouldn’t rely on benefits.

Many disabled people have family who are their carers, and perfectly entitled to drive the cars because they are supporting the disabled person. You really need to stop posting now because with every comment you make it clearer that you have no idea about disability or what PIP is meant to support. You also don’t appear to have a clue about how the Motability scheme works. NOBODY has an open insurance policy unless they satisfy the restrictions in place. In reality it’s a small proportion of the overall Motability customers.

Absolutely. People have no idea how poor social care provision is - they might think about it in terms of care needed when they’re older but many, many people need social care to live day by day. The costs of formal care are astronomical, informal carers save the economy £184 billion, the current cost of disability benefits is around £40 billion. It makes no sense to cut disability benefits paid to informal carers to add £184 billion to the social care spend.

But yes, let’s keep moaning about someone getting a motability car…

You can only hope. Not sure if revealing this as one of their intentions in government is a good thing for the party in general. I would think there’s a large cohort of the country who definitely won’t be voting for them now !! I think Reform need to understand why neither the Tories nor Labour would be specific about the exact nature of the benefit cuts they would introduce once in government.

Clearly the DC needs PIP but not an example for a person JUST claiming for anxiety if they need support with money, cooking and bathing.

Spot on.