Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

Maybe she had something mixed up then. That’s all the information she gave me, her DH on pip but getting reduced because she’s earning more 🤷‍♀️

Well she does exist because I see her daily. If I was going to invent someone I’d at least make sure what I’m saying is facts.
Maybe she has something mixed up because that’s all the information she gave me.

How is the fraudulence proved? It seems a difficult area to assess.

Earnings have zero impact on PIP, thats why the Camerons could rightly claim DLA for their son.

Taken from indivuduals ....to create a society we can all benefit from. Im sick to death hearing about 'taxpayers money 'as if.it's some.secret pile of cash that's to be stashed in a golden cage never to be touched. . 'Taxpayers money' is a phrase sneakily put about in the mainstream by manipulaters to create the idea that you have the right not to financially opt out of society while simultaneously r4aping the benefits of other people's tax contributions. . It's bollocks.

She must of done as its non means tested
And it only gets reduced on renewal IF the condtion / disabillity is deemed to have improved .

Yes actually I do. Of course it will create more admin for me but that is far preferable in my opion than spongers and frauds milking the system unfairly. Truly disable people are currently suffering because the system is totally out of control!!!!!

Then i don't follow because as I have read it, the government made up the shortfall in credits with a concession that I detailed in my last post.

Gosh, after all this time have we still not grasped that the national economy is not comparable to a household budget? That those who pay in and those who take out are not two distinct groups, allocated their status at birth? That the percentage of GDP spent on benefits is broadly stable and forecast to continue as such? That "the rich" - to coin a phrase - will always be with us?

Are we so stupid that we've learnt nothing?

Disability benefits are not about of work benefit.

You can claim and work.

Many do.

Many pay more in tax than they “get back” in PIP.

The biggest issue is that people don’t understand what PIP is or how it’s awarded.

If you want to cut a benefits bill for those not working to get them back into work it’s UC and JSA etc.

But then taking away people’s ability to house and feed themselves is just down right cruel.

It seems it’s deemed less cruel to take away a benefit to help fund the extra costs of disability from those who need it - redesigned they work or not by using the latest rhetorical phrase “working age”.

It isn’t a race to the bottom of who is more deserving and who isn’t.

Funny how it’s always the abled bodied who like to decide which disabilities are deemed “disabling” enough.

People who unfortunately have disabilities or chronic health conditions are far more empathetic and understanding, as we know exactly what it’s like to live with conditions. I have an incurable chronic illness. I wouldn’t dream of trying to shame someone who receives PIP for anxiety.

Also, why do you believe people who receive PIP for mental health conditions are “sitting at home”? You do realise that we can receive PIP AND work AND pay tax.

I honestly cringe at views like yours. Absolutely clueless.

How does fraud mean your relative is suffering?

Although it is subject to debt servicing which is £100bn per year and rising.

On what basis do you form your distinction?

Only 1 in 5 work. Something does need to be done about the benefits bill.

I would never vote Reform myself but this will be popular.

Well said.

If he had his PIP reduced it’s because he’s been reviewed and had his ‘rate’ lowered.

Maybe he’s told the missus his lowered income is her fault for earning more because he feels he fucked up his review? Or he/she are confusing PIP and UC?

There’s nowt so queer as folks’ PIP tales.

If someone claims benefits their whole lives or for a large chunk of their lives, they will amass enough NI credits to qualify for the full state pension. That is what I mean.

So not all people in receipt of a State Pension will have paid into the pot for their whole lives as per your assertion.

Ah yes that old chestnut, from people who couldn't maintain that life of hard grind if they had a team of staff to support them! Amazing how well people would cope in the hypothetical situations they've never had to face. They have ALL the answers.

I’m one of the hated people. I get enhanced rate for both daily living and mobility thanks to arthritis, spinal problems and cancer. I don’t have a motability car (although I’m eligible for one). I am 65 and I have had PIP for the last 3 years and I won’t get my state pension for another 2 years. Like many others my age and older I don’t have a private pension as I stayed at home looking after the children and then had low paid part time jobs to be there for them in school holidays etc - no wrap around care in those days! Therefore PIP is my only income. It has funded my powerchair, a riser recliner chair and loads of little bits like grabbers and sock aids. I’m currently saving to get the bathroom redone so I can have a walk in shower with grab rails but that’s a while off yet. I worked until Covid. Lost my job, got bowel cancer, had complications from treatment that involved having both hips and knees replaced and now have spinal problems that mean I can only walk very small distances and need to use a powerchair when out. I’d be happy to do an admin job or similar but my age combined with medical history mean no employer will look at me. If I had been able to access my state pension early then I wouldn’t have applied for PIP. What do you suggest people in my position should do??

PIP should be means tested.

They all want to cut pip
Reform are just the ones to say it .
We have a huge , rapidly growing population,it can't sustain the amount of people getting pip and top up universal credit for low paid jobs .
Nor can it continue to subside housing benefit in expensive areas
Massive changes have to be made
To many areas in the UK
We need a massive overhaul
Are reform the ones to do this ???
Depends if they get voted in

Good . There are far too many people supposedly not able to work and the country is bankrupt . The whole benefits system needs a rethink to give working people something in return for their tax costs ie working services , everything is broken .

That might make a modicum of sense if you see life as a zero sum game.

What do you imagine is the point of benefits?

I have just supported a parent to apply for PIP for her DC transitioning from DLA.

At the moment, her DC’s only diagnosis is GAD. Although when completing the form I suggested she look at referrals for ASD and also SM.

Her DC needs support to communicate, prepare a meal, interact with others and manage a budget. The DC needs prompting to take medication, bathe, dress. They can’t leave the house alone.

The evidence sent included an EHCP (and some of the evidence included in K including an EP report, OT report, CAMHS report, SALT report and a report from children’s services), 2 letters from a mental health practitioner, a letter from a psychiatrist and a letter from a tutor.