Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

No. Google national insurance credits.

Because they won't be paying employers NIC's.

I dont doubt it. There are some two dimensional ghastlies on mn , aren't there.

Seems to me there is no need to reduce any payment amounts. Just stop expanding the definition of disability and assess people in person.

People are being very niaive if they think 1.4% is the entirety of the fraud happening.

There are charities that contribute towards going on holiday if you are disabled. You don't know anything, just spewing bile.

Yes it is a good thing I say this as Deputy for a disabled relative. The truly disabled will still receive benefits by way of whatever replaces it whereas those who aren't truly disabled (anxiety etc) won't.

I absolutey have
We covered it in a lecture when i was a student mental health nurse in fact i mentioned it on anotjer thread just a few dsys ago
Its a fascinating study from the 60,s or 70, America
So im not sure whats its got to do with modern day mentsl health professionsls in the Uk!
Its hiliarious though that you thought you would try and catch me out with some study lots of people will nevet have heard off.

Absolutely this.

And o think the thing not being talked about is that this is the stealth way of them refusing benefits to people with a diagnosis of anxiety and ADHD.

How do you decide who’s “severely disabled” and who isn’t?

My DS a wheelchair user and works in software development.

WFH and flexible working keeps him in a job. He is also autistic as well as having physical needs.

An office isn’t the right environment for him. PIP allows him to manage and afford to work.

Of PIP is going to be replaced for working age people then maybe it needs to be through tax breaks etc - but then they’d have to admit that’s pretty much what PIP already is for most.

Many pay more tax than they receive in PIP.

Anxiety can be very disabling.

There is no list of conditions or disabilities that means you’re awarded PIP or DLA, it’s to do with care needs not diagnosis.

Can you give me an example of support needs for anxiety apart from can't leave the house alone? What evidence could there possibly be that shows anxiety makes you unable to cook or bathe?

Sadly this post is typical of many on MN.

The current UK benefits bill is £330 billion or 11% of GDP or 24.4% of all government spending.

This money comes from taxing individuals and companies. The reality is that taxation slows economic growth.

If this money was not spent on welfare benefits then it would either:
a) allow more government spending on productive areas such as infrastructure or education or R&D or
b) lower taxation boosting economic growth
c) reducing Government debt that would then lower interest rates and boost the economy.

Unfortunately we frequently see MN posts that don't recognise that Government money is money taken from individuals and companies in the form of taxation. Or that we should simply "tax the rich" more - with rich being defined as anyone except them.

And a name badge that reads Master, presumably.

Not in the same way as those that are truly disabled. My relative has 24 hour care cannot complete any ADL's and those sponging off the state affect him. The best cure for anxiety is exposure therapy not sitting at home living off benefits, it does nobody any favours the ridiculous way the welfare state has expanded to cover everything!!!

No, parents don’t need to sleep - they can just keep on and on. I saw on another thread countless posters suggesting a single parent of a disabled child who was up most of the night could and should work while their child was at school. Completely missing the point that she was up all through the night and needed to sleep so she could care for her child when they got home from school.

Well exactly. I can just hear the roar now when somebody who is having a crises puts those in their charge in danger (not intentionally I hasten to add, having schizophrenia and EUPD doesn't automatically equate to axe wielding monster). Those saying "Someone with a mental disorder should just get a job, any job" will suddenly scream "Why was that person allowed to work there, they shouldn't be working with vulnerable people" .

Also mental health proffesionals go off a lot more than a questionaire.

Unfortunately they are not a lone voice on this thread. It is depressing.

@WandsworthMama yes do explain how she knew that she'd be awarded it, probably worth around £300 a month, the lowest award. She'd have to consider if anything she puts on the claim form is something that she needs to report to the GMC. GPs know nothing about our benefits system, they don't do claim forms, just send in medical proof, including how many days of work they've missed because of their condition. Which would be interesting to read, if none, or if some, but she hasn't been honest about why she was off work.

Let me moderate my statement slightly. Services that are provided to meet the social and health needs of citizens constitute the welfare state in my view. So health, education and so on. It's not possible to separate out these services as something to be paid for discretely, aside from benefits.

@redange
I don't agree with a lot of your comments but I think you have a point about NI contributions.
I'm 61, 3 years ago I left the civil service with a full NI record. Until February this year I was working as a foster carer and to be honest didn't think about NI contributions.
In February I was diagnosed with incurable cancer. I lost my income overnight.
Fortunately I had a very small pension (less than state pension) and some savings. With the savings I have managed to survive.
I cannot claim UC because of the pension and I can't meet job search requirements. I cannot claim ESA because I have not paid NI in the last 2 tax years.

So I have 30 + years of contributions, but am excluded from the benefit I should be on because none of those payments were in the last 2 years.
Because my prognosis is at this point uncertain, in June my oncologist signed an SR1 form which means I can get PIP because my life expectancy is compromised.

Is it the right benefit? I don't know. But without it I would have the choice of eating or paying my bills.
If my treatment works, I might be able to return to some work this time next year.
But I am pondering on who would employ a 62 year old with a serious health condition and multiple hospital appointments.

Why are you trying to make this about the "anxious" and "truly disabled" like they are separate groups?
Do you really think your disabled relative would be immune to any reforms of cuts to PIP.
They will be going after everyone on it.

Personal opinion does not constitute empirical evidence.

Exactly and the same people moan that raising pension age is affecting young people getting jobs. And what do they think should happen to people reaching old age who are obviously not capable of physical work? They need to have an income. Many on disabilty thwart government attempts to get them back to work doing things within their capabilities. And money for therapy etc which PIP claimants get to meet the extra costs should be paid direct to the people providing the therapy.