Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

1.4% found to be fraudulent. But many more go undetected. Thats my point. Pretty obvious. Not enough people employed to investigate.

Not sure what’s funny? I have a cousin like this, owns their own home so no rent or mortgage (inherited, not through hard work). Spends all day in bed and all night partying with their mates. I don’t know how much they get in benefits, but they do get Pip and seem to manage pretty well on it.

Well said. And as for the eugenics proposed by the pp, how shameful. To openly state that disabled people shouldn't be born really does betray something very nasty lurking in that person's psyche.

Please don't tell people to shut up. You seem to do it repeatedly. It is a pretty poor look for you. If you don't like discussion maybe discussion forums aren't for you?

I hope people will be celebrating when people with schizophrenia and EUPD are working in care homes and nurseries. Not to vilify people with those conditions, but these are precisely the sort of ‘non physical illnesses’ Reform are going after.

They never think it applies to them. Like all the elderly people who had to come home from Spain, totally shocked because they're, white British, so why did Brexit rules, include them. Meanwhile kids like my DD, working in hospitality, had her dream of working on cruise ships, for the experience, taken away.
@EvieBB I should have been owed £ thousands. I also got refused. Luckily (ha) I hit rock bottom, hospital admissions etc within three months and got it awarded, no back pay of course.

Really? Is the Armed Forces part of the welfare state? Or the Police or Fire Brigade? What about roads are they part of the Welfare State?

It's not obvious. It's an assumption based on your world view.

i think some on MN would like to see a Dignitas centre in every town and anyone over retirement age being given an appointment on their 70th birthday 😀

Insurance. About 3.5 to 3.7 million employees are already covered.

This specific type of corporate coverage is known as Group Income Protection (GIP) or Long-Term Disability Income insurance.

I think the point the poster might be making is that she is sufficiently well off to not need to claim anything from the taxpayer at all.

So rather than pay each parent £500/per month (most common DLA award plus carers allowance), you’d pay parents £1,800 (35 hours minimum wage), plus employer on costs, plus training and insurances, safeguarding provision, plus whatever profit the care company makes to look after their own and other disabled kids?

Ratios would be tight, many disabled kids need 1:1 care, maybe at best 3:1 so it would still cost much more in flat monetary terms.

She isnt claiming she just could if she wanred to according to the poster that made that post 💁

I don’t care if it’s a poor look.

It’s utterly exhausting reading complete and utter privileged ignorant bollocks from people who don’t even understand what PIP is, never mind their lousy and stupid ideas without doing any credible research.

These people SHOULD shut up. Because perhaps a discussion forum isn’t for them if they can’t understand facts or use critical thinking.

I bet they drive their tax payer funded BMW to said parties 🤬

I can't work out whether you're aware of the connotations of the term "overseer" or entirely ignorant of its historical meaning. Judging by your proposals, I'm going to say yes, you are aware and it's something you'd firmly approve of.

Not sure what your point is? The gravy train will cease to exist here in a few decades if a welfare review doesnt happen. Because the money pot will be empty. The rate the money is being handed out there will soon be more people taking out than putting in. The rich will have gone, so no more squeezing cash out of them. And then we will all be screwed.

Well she is not claiming, is she? But apparently she can, with 'self-diagnosed mild anxiety'. That is what that poster claimed. I await an answer to how she 'proved' that she would have been accepted on PIP.

We are discussing disability benefits, so other benefits are irrelevant. Also Scandinavia and Denmark have really lowered asylum seeker numbers and implemented stricter rules. Not looked at benefits. They instead know that there needs to be work available, before they restrict out of work welfare.

It’s honestly the most farcical suggestion yet!!

I had the same thought. Perhaps pp is hoping the OAPs will be provided with a whip and a couple of Alsations each?

Disability related aside it seems the benefit system is geared to different outcomes -

The actual length of time people spend on Universal Credit-equivalent safety nets in Scandinavia differs dramatically from the U.K. because the entire system is aggressively structured to prevent long-term dependency.

@TemperanceWest Some pensioners in receipt of the State Pension haven't paid into the pot or have paid very little yet still get the full SP.
Can you clarify why that is?
A woman used to be able to pay a "Married Woman's Stamp" up to 1997 so she could get a pension based on her husband's contributions.
This was for women who hadn't got the full amount of contributions paid in.This was later bolstered by a Government concession.
The government concession allows women reaching state pension under the new rules and who paid the married woman’s stamp to make a claim based on their husband’s NI record.
The rate payable would be a full basic state pension of £129.20 if they are now divorced or widowed, or 60% of the basic state pension - £77.45 per week - if they are married.
Is that what you are talking about?

You'd need to pay for care throughout the night too, so that the parent could be rested for work.

It's almost as if people have knee jerk reactions rather than using their brains for their intended purpose...

Of course we currently have all those things. But cant you see how everything is falling apart? Entire infrastructure is falling apart in plain sight. Its inevitable how all this is going to end.