Reform want to cut PIP

[Daygloboo]

Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

That's what bugs me.
They class Pensions as 'Benefits' when in actual fact someone has paid into 'the pot' to keep that scheme working.

There’s a time limit on some benefits though? Which we don’t have.

When you say "literally", are you sure you know what that word means?

@Howlerhog but is it about getting people out working or cutting government spending? Having every parent of a disabled child working won't save money. It will put families under pressure. We have threads on here about resentment towards colleagues taking child sick leave (which is unpaid), that will increase because of the lack of flexibility in medical appointments, which disabled children need. 20% of the population is 50-65 and a lot can't get work because of ageism. Then there's childfree men, who have been left behind. We need to focus on those groups, not families who are stressed as it is.
A government can't go after disabled groups while we have a unlimited asylum bill.

aygloboo · Today 12:52
Leave pensioners alone. Or should they go and work in the fields for their pensions until they drop down dead. I wonder if their next fantastically well worked out policy will be that everyone over the age of 65 should be pushed off a cliff.
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Which would mean Reform are actually been infiltrated by the 'Deep' State working on behalf of the Conservative Party and Jenrick being a Double Agent for Kemi and enabling the Conservative Party to leap to 30% !

Part of the reason the U.K. is broke is the huge proportion of GDP the country lost due to Brexit. Unless reform are proposing rejoining the EU I don’t give a flying fig what they say about anything else.

there is a whole additional layer of damage to ruins country done by listening to whatever ‘party’ Farage is moving his money through at the time and the other parties trying to out-Farage him which is much less quantifiable.

Do you?

Bless your gullible heart.

Some pensioners in receipt of the State Pension haven't paid into the pot or have paid very little yet still get the full SP.

Are they deserving or undeserving pensioners?

That's not going to happen. There are lots of severely disabled children without school places whose parents look after them 24/7.
I was in that position until my son moved into supported living with 3:1 full time support. The placement is very expensive. Paying PIP and carers allowance to me was nothing compared to the costs now.

Not for disability benefits. Unlike us, they have lifetime awards.

How has your Sil proved that it is possible to claim for her 'mild self-diagnosed anxiety'?

Addressed how and by who? If you have an issue with parents receiving £75 a week for the child’s disability needs and £86 a week for being a full time carer, then who would actually be advocating paying third party providers to provide this care? Do you understand the cost of training and paying someone to manage complex medical needs for a child outside the home?

As said for some benefits. The systems are different. Perhaps that time limit works well for them where we have higher dependency.

For all the sahp who can't work because they need to look after their children when there is no childcare support.

Sounds like they would be the best people to work with disabled children. Some could be trained to become child care worker and access for free childcare for their own kids whilst others could go and worked knowing they will be looked by people with direct experience.

Free training to become qualify.

Public services are the welfare state.

I am also not sure what her having 3 properties had to do with anything either.

Where we are it ends at 64 and is replaced by an equivalent benefit, thats just the bit that recognises reduced capacity to work, the bits about care etc continue for as long as that person requires care.

Support in work is also much better as its both simple and quick for work places to receive funding for equipment etc.

Surely we should categorise everyone as deserving or undeserving. If you have a minimum wage job, you pay very little in tax - so undeserving? As I higher rate tax payer am I more deserving? Should I get better service from the NHS because I have paid more? Top of the waiting list for me, perhaps?

indeed.

Sadly true.

We need to see the detail. On Reform's existing statement, non physical disabilities will be a key target. Reform struggle to recognise conditions such as autism and severe depression.

If she has 3 properties she doesn’t need the money. Why should she be claiming?

Well that would be quite a job! Social security and the welfare state go back centuries. So much of what we have today is inextricably linked with circumstances and political trends of the past. Starting from scratch would be unworkable.

I'm not sure what you mean by your last sentence, could you elaborate?

Because they can get to and from work, hold down a job, wash and dress themselves, shop.
Doing these things causes them a lot of pain but because they can do them, it makes them ineligible for Pip. And people have to have money to live.

Sorry, I misread your post!