Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

People who need support get £836 a month. Pip + UC
They get significantly more than that when they claim for their children.

How would people cover the cost in advance unless very wealthy? A friend is quadraplegic, he uses his mobility component to pay towards his wheelchair, without it he would never leave his bed, nevermind his home. So your preference would be that only wealthy people could use your proposed system.

When we lived in the UK my husbands disability was costing us on average about £800 a month, when he was single it was more like £1,200ish a month. Both those amounts are as much as a second mortgage, they’re also not unusual figures for someone with a disability. Those figures may be challenging for you as you do seem to have issues with extremely basic maths.

Were you under the impression that I was trying to justify it?

Yes, it is called giving them a job.
This thread is also about PIP, not jobseekers.

i didn't say i thought that .
I just couldnt understand how the example given of a limbless person not meeting the criteria given for support.

I couldn't get pip at the height of my chronic fatigue. I was genuinely ill and couldn't work but the fuckers didn't deem me ill enough because I could get dressed with 15 minutes (minus the shower etc)....sure I could get dressed within 15 minutes and I could take the kids to school ....but after that I would crash and spend the rest of the day recovering from the hour in the morning...until school pickup. It was horrific. I could not hold down even a part time job at that time. It took all my strength just to get the kids to school and back and cook a meal. That was it. Sometimes my mum did pickup as I couldn't manage it. I felt suicidal at times. I felt useless and frustrated. I never claimed a penny in benefits ever though. My husband supported me throughout that time. So believe me there are lots of people unable to claim pip even though they should be eligible. (Thankfully my mum paid for me to see a private functional doctor and I'm 80% improved and can now work part time and I'm so grateful for my improved health and ability to function more normally)🙏🏻
Conversely I do know of a woman who's worked the system and has success claimed pip even though she works full time and is able bodied! (Her cousin works in the pip office and advised her what to write on her claim form in order to be successful)! It's all so unfair.
What I'm saying is that yes there are so many scroungers who have worked the system and blatantly lied and yet there are people who absolutely need that support but don't seem to qualify despite their disability and inability to work. It stinks!!

If you get the enhanced rate, you DON'T have to get a motabillity car with it. You can save and buy a car with it or use it for other forms of transport. You can also get transport passes, if the person needs accompaniment to travel you can get a +1 bus pass so the companion rides free to support them. I don't know about train schemes but I know it works on the trams in Notts.

Change our tax laws. If you make money in the US, you pay tax there. Change a lot of our laws. The UK's economy is worth a lot, even to China. Businesses aren't going to withdraw. If they do, there'll be enough that will stay and pay the tax, because we are big consumers. But there are other things. I didn't like Corbyn, but his ideas about forcing companies to offer a decent number proper full time jobs etc and end the gig economy, was what we needed. I was shocked to find out thise working on the HS2 are self employed, even if they've been there since the beginning and have to do mandatory on site training. That's no sick, paternity, pay and no pension etc.

Ah the scandinavian way, as someone who lives in a Scandi country in this particular one benefits for people with disabilties are both more generous than those in england and easier to qualify for. So if you want it the scandi way, you would need to significantly increase PIP.

idk. we don't have money as a country and quite clearly the term 'disabled' covers so many things now, from genuinely debilitating illnesses to self diagnoses. there should absoluetly be scrutiny into it as we desperately need the cash. my sister-in-law - who has three properties and is a part time GP is able to claim for her mild and self-diagnosed anxiety (she doesn't, but has proved it's possible!). the system is deeply flawed as stands, which doesn't help those in genuine need as creates such skepticism. At least Reform are bringing this into discussion. UK is broke. All PIPs is cash not given to other v worthy causes.

David Cameron
was right though DLA does open doors to other services not just NHS nappies
His son was had profound and multiple disabillties and had a short life wether multimillionaire or an office cleaner
Looking after a child with those kinds of disabiillities is going to be hard
And he died when he was just six which is heartbreaking.

All well and good saying that. My youngest couldn’t access childcare right now due to his medical needs and several settings refusing to accommodate them, the same is generally the case for after school care when other young children have the same condition.

It's stupid like everything they come up with. They are the Clown Party.

And why should OAPs have to be the overseers of this work?
is is because 55% of welfare spending supports pensioners?
Do they have to perform this overseer role to continue to get a pension?

And that’s appalling and ought to be addressed.

Your sil would not be able to claim for her mild self disgnosed anxiety HTH.

Then why aren't the numbers of jobs created that need to process people and keep them here to work if elegible to stay or return them if not. Surely that would create more workers all paying taxes.

Why is it stupid? What breaks do you want seen put on the PIP process? Or are you happy to shove your head in the sand and pretend that it’s affordable?

Yes. It is one thing announcing all this populist red meat. It is quite another to deliver it in government. Farage would have nowhere to hide. Can you imagine him at PMQs?

Here we go again people attacking Pensioners!

Leave pensioners alone. Or should they go and work in the fields for their pensions until they drop down dead. I wonder if their next fantastically well worked out policy will be that everyone over the age of 65 should be pushed off a cliff.

The cost of specialist after school care would far exceed the cost of supporting parents to care for their children. It would far exceed the tax receipts from parents then able to work. If it was economical to provide, it would already be in place. Absolutely essential supports for disabled people have already been cut to the bone because of the cost of providing it.

The reality is providing care of whatever kind on a formal basis is expensive, much more expensive than the benefits paid to disabled people and their carers. The difference is you can easily calculate how much someone receives in benefits because the rates are there to be seen. You don’t see the costs of providing care, because they aren’t made public.

If I gave you the choice of paying a parent £400/month in DLA that allowed them to care for their child at home, or paying £12k for a care package for their child for the same period, you’d chose the care package, from the principle that everyone should work?

I will hold any party to account if they come up with rubbish stupid or impractical ideas. Many posters on here probably have a straight line politically linked to a political party.

I wasn’t attacking pensioners. I was being ironic - clearly I failed.
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Clearly you have never read "On being Sane in Insane Places" Rosenhan (1973). Psychiatrists have nothing to go on but their instinct. There is no objective test for depression or anxiety. Just a few questionnaires people fill in.