Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

Reform will never get in so don’t worry about it.

Then they cannot be getting pip. Pip has no relation to how much you earn or how much your partner earns. Pip is never cut like that. There are only two standard payments, nothing in between.

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And also idea it is easy to get. I have seen friends with disabled kids have to fight for their child to get what they need. The paperwork, the appeals the admin is a full time job.

And on a related point I am a line manager and one of my staff waited months for an access to work bid which was awarded. But the stodginess of that process and the work that person has to do after to enact and spend that money given their disability is unbelievable. That needs sorting too

People will always cheat every system. There will be undeserving cases. I know of one. But ai still want benefits to be there for people who need then so I accept that minority. Like Farage has cheated with the funding, like some people dodge tax, yet some of that people actually applaud. Bue we all pay for that too somewhere down the line.

What world do we want to live in? One that is empathetic and looks after people or one that climbs over the bodies literally and metaphorically?

Agree. Those relying on PIP should be raging at those that are blagging illnesses, rather than Reform.

If you couldn't work then you'd have to apply for an out of work benefit.

Which would be what exactly? Because UC would require work, JSA would require looking for work and ESA wouldn’t apply if it’s not your disability.

Binnyforthewin · Today 12:15
It's like they are working together. Burnham says he will take steps to reform PIP. Jennrick comes out with something pretty extreme. Then the backbenchers can say we'll support the Burnham compromise as it's not as a bad a what the others are suggesting.

Yes its the £15 Billion Cut not the £50 Billion cut . The Country needs to save money economic growth and cheap energy and a approach that appreciates we are a not a tier 1 nation now. Hence, we cannot afford a singe pound on overseas aid. We can not afford countless Billons on illegal immigrants or even a pound if we are cutting payments from people in Wheelchairs how can you fund any one not 'British'.

What compensation did I get?

My loss of earning far exceeded any DLA awarded. Working part time my household income was too high for UC, which is fair enough. DLA helped to fill the gap, it didn’t compensate for anything.

Where is their plan for SAHP then if they are also looking at DLA for children because if they do that they need to accept that a LOT of parents won’t be able to work - and they’ll need more money.

Unless of course they are going to sort out waiting times for assessment for ND, and fund SEN nurseries.

IME they're like vegans, or marathon runners - they will tell you repeatedly.

No but the the patient can be referred to a mental health professional who is able to to a proper mental health assesment.

I would be surprised too. But the election is a long way away. And Reform came worryingly second in an awful lot of places. And second by some small margins too. Hence why we now have Andy B and not Starmer any longer.

They are not being paid twice for the same thing! AGAIN, UC and PIP are for DIFFERENT things.
The government are proposing the exact opposite to what you are - that you have to be on PIP to get the health element of UC. If they thought your idea was going to save money, then they would have said it had to be one or the other, which makes zero sense.

Ah, so Farage has realised being a cunt doesn’t count as a disability

That’s not how it works. PIP is allocated on support needs not diagnosis and you need to have strong evidence re those support needs. How are you going to provide that if you don’t have any? On top of that meds will be treating whatever you’ve gone to the GP for so will be evidence against support needs.

I would never vote but it's about time one government start tackling disability benefits and the significant increase in applications each year.

There are thousands of people who can work part time but not full time with chronic illness/disability. PIP helps them get to work with taxis or helps with mobility schemes to get them a car. Otherwise people would be stuck at home
Do we actually know the percentage of people who claim pip who are still at work and rely on taxis to get there? Or who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford a car?

Versus people who were not working when they applied and still not working?

It’s perfectly ok to rage against an idiotic policy that is beyond stupid.

I feel like this is the bit that'll do for them.

Ensuring that no one with a disability or chronic illness will ever be able to get a job is self evidently stupid even to potentail Reform voters.

I haven’t read all the replies but when I see discussions like this I always ask if you were starting from scratch, with a blank sheet of paper. No one is claiming anything right now. There are zero systems in place. The economy is in the state it is now, barely growing with little to no chance of it recovering in the next 10 years, what would be the system you would put in? How would it look? Should there be a pot and when it’s gone it’s gone? should people take out personal insurance for sickness? Should pregnant women take insurance out for their children when pregnant? I don’t honestly know but what we have now isn’t working and the mental burden on the people who have to go to work is becoming a big issue.

Every child has a right to an education. The government should supply that education and afterschool clubs to allow every parent to work, regardless of the child’s health needs.

Hear bloody hear!

So by your logic, rather than use part of my DCs DLA to fill the gap in income caused by me needing to reduce my hours, because you don’t think that’s a legitimate use of the money, I should instead stop working completely, claim UC to cover my household costs and ring fence DLA for costs directly related to my DCs disability?

Im very glad you’re not in charge of economic policy if you think that’s better than me working as far as possible, and bridging the gap with DLA where needed.

The problem being if Labour stay in the country will be an Economic basket and a Totalitarian Socialist State within the next three years .. We are in a bit of a pickle and Labour are no fans of the disabled and like many on here think the 'Pensioners' are loaded...

I think they're actually scared they might get elected. It's going to be an interesting few years.

Most people not in work & receiving pip are also getting other benefits eg UC all tax free, it can add up to the equivalent of much more than most people receive after tax working in a median wage job.

Well Mr Andy wanted the job didn't he .