Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

Haha I knew the Mumsnet reich would love this policy. They love nothing more than the idea of people they deem "lesser" suffering in misery.

Dislike people who live in housing association properties, dislike people living with disabilities, dislike people who didn't have the same opportunities as they did, dislike people who live in the north. They fall over themselves to make sure they are ok and stamp all over the poor in their determination to get what they want.

Terrified in case someone may eventually get an opportunity they think only they deserve by virtue of living situation and class. The horror of a working class person from Middlebrough getting a place at Oxford, for example.

No wonder Reform bots see this site as a place for support for their reprehensible policies. Ready-made voters.

It is also a bit of a 'Own Goal' by Reform large numbers of very successful families have at least one member with 'Autism'. This is an area where research needs to be done, the number of families who have been ultra successful in Business, Sport Academia that have links to 'Autism' in their families. Hence, unless they are able to support them need 'Economic' support from the state !

Exactly. Ambulance isn’t coming because all the money went into making sure PIP claimants don’t feel worse off. Is that what you were trying to say?

I agree UC is to cover living cost and PIP to cover additional cost of disability but if a person is only getting £30 a week disability their disability most be minimal. £30 is the cost of the lower level mobility. If they had other disabilities they would be on a higher level. It's not the job of UC to cover more than basics. At the moment a person can claim PIP for additional cost of their disability then if on UC claim health element too. So they are effectively been paid twice for having a disability. It's stuff like this that has to stop.

Because we have so many old people?

Good question. Maybe our fucked up society and recent pandemic has made people ill.

It's as if rampant late stage capitalism isn't good for 99% of people isn't it? 😉

Yes, we keep raising the pension age so this will keep increasing.

They don’t if they don’t meet the bar for PIP which is very high and if you can’t prove said support needs.

I'm not proposing anything.

I'm saying the benefit is designed for additional costs, not as extra income.

It isn't a compensation scheme that the tax payers pay to anyone with a disability or who has a child with a disability.

If you couldn't work then you'd have to apply for an out of work benefit.

That's one of the reasons Reform and every other government want to change PIP and DLA. Because it's not fit for purpose for many reasons and because many people are using it not for the purpose it's granted.

I am pleased that Reform has once again evelated the urgent issue of an out-of-control welfare bill.

Enough is enough.

I have two kids, both with disabilities, both adopted. Believe me, the £400 or so I get in DLA is considerably less than it would have cost the state of my kids remained in care. Not to mention me being able to take the time with them early means they both should go on to live happy, productive lives because they’ve got the support and treatment they needed to help overcome their early experiences. That simply wouldn’t have happened if they had remained in state care.

People are so incredibly short sighted, envious of people getting anything they don’t get not realising the immediate savings in not having to provide public care for children who need it, nor the very real long term human cost when people don’t have their basic needs met.

So cut disability benefits by all means, but don’t then complain when there’s an increase in homelessness, in petty crime, in costs of imprisoning people, and don’t come and cry over dead children, of children abandoned by parents who can no longer cope, don’t moan about increased costs of residential child care, or adult social care. All of which is prevented by paying parents enough money to care for their loved ones.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

If someone who is a carer for a severely disabled person works full time then the disabled person will need full time carers which will cost a lot more than PIP.

Disabled people contribute to their social care costs even if on benefits but that in no way touches the sides of the actual costs.

The care provided by a parent having to give up work will cost the country significantly less than paying.for a social care package

Although I suppose you think those shouldn't be provided either.

Who will not be working depending on your view of old.

Since when is a maximum of £770 odd every 4 weeks anything like the equivalent to a well paid full time job?

Minimum wage is almost 2,100, so almost 3 times more than the maximum PIP payment, which most claimants are not even eligible for.

Ironic that Clacton has one of the highest percentage of claimants in the country. No suprise this did not feature on hos election leaflet

It's like they are working together. Burnham says he will take steps to reform PIP. Jennrick comes out with something pretty extreme. Then the backbenchers can say we'll support the Burnham compromise as it's not as a bad a what the others are suggesting.

But that is not what happens and another reminder that PIP is an in work benefit designed to help with the invisble, extra costs that disabled people encounter in a world designed for the able.

There perhaps needs to be a Benefit system related to National Insurance Contributions and years someone has got. Thus someone getting ill in their 50's or 60's should be eligible to benefit from 25-30 years contributions. This excuses 'seriously' disabled younger people but someone who has paid NI Contributions should be understood when no longer can work or is no longer wanted in the workplace !

If a patient goes to GP and complains of anxiety they often would get put on meds. Over time if they have complaind of this enough the GP states patient has a history of anxiety and is on meds. That is medical evidence. A blood test or x-ray can't be used to diagnose a lot of MH issues like anxiety or depression.

You say "I know this has been brought up several times over the years but mostly shelved because of the yuman rites of these dossers to be able to sit on their arses smoking weed all day courtesy of the dwindling bunch of taxpayers who fund them all." I am a wheelchair user who has received PIP and previously DLA all of my adult life. I also work full-time in a professional role where I pay tax at the higher rate. My PIP pays for my taxis to and from work and for any repairs or new equipment I need. This lazy and crude narrative about all PIP recipients being "dossers" is just not true.

I have autistic kids. Why would I claim any money for them? They’re my kids. My responsibility.

Yes I have someone around me that is entitled to PIP, it has recently been cut slightly because his wife is now earning more.

The idea that some people who receive PUP are not ‘severe’ is bith unrealistic and abhoreant tbh

Is it really? Because we’ve already read on here someone saying that their ex claims it after an illness but that illness now has absolutely no effect on his life now, he just likes the extra income! So no it’s not unrealistic that some people are not severe. People like that guy don’t deserve PIP. Should we just keep handing it out to frauds so that it doesn’t disrupt anyone else’s claim? Or do we try find a way to make sure only those that need it get it

That’s precisely what the problem with PIP is.

There are more ways for fraud to occur with UC though, plus it covers several benefits, and is means tested too so things like undeclared savings are fraud whereas they are not with PIP.
It is no surprise the fraud rate is higher with UC than PIP.

Anybody who has exaggerated a severity of condition or pretended to have one, or convinced themselves they do and convinced others they do in order to claim disability benefits have a hand in this proposal from Reform.

They are of the view it seems that too many people are claiming disability benefits. And they don’t buy it. The numbers. They don’t believe all of the claimants.

So their proposal is to get rid of it for everyone. Including those who do rely on it.
So anyone who has exaggerated just a teeny bit to get a higher rate etc, think on that.

This is Reform. Who may not or may not get into power. But if they did would have no qualms about enacting this policy.