Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

It needs to be majorly reformed so it can only be claimed by those who truly need it: it’s very easy to make a false claim if you’re prepared to lie. Got a couple of relatives who do just that - an easy £400 extra in their pocket each month.

People who don’t think PIP is being abused are delusional.

Reclaim what exactly? Do you realise the biggest cost of caring for a disabled child is lost parental income?
Hence the DLA payment to begin with.

My brother lives in Clacton constituency, gets PIP and voted for Farage.

I hope he's aware of this.

Whete did i say Starmer did a good job

Not every working person thinks like you.

Not everyone is on the take. That suggests you are.

Not everyone thinks Reform is the answer to all ills - especially based on Farage's track record of doing nothing for for his constituents in any role he has ever held.

It's not confusing at all. If a person claims PIP and UC stop paying them health element of UC because they have received PIP for that.

Don’t forget many disabled people on PIP also pay income taxes. I certainly do.

I agree with you it’s very easy to cheat the system if you’re prepared to fabricate your symptoms. Two of my relatives do it 🤷‍♀️ They say they’re suffering debilitating symptoms to claim but admit to us that they’re lying.

@happybug1234 · Today 10:51

In fact I just checked DLA for 3 children would bring in £9,336 every 4 weeks

Link to this please...

You need evidence
And i dont just mean a quick trip to the GP tellung thrn you feel anxouis type of evidence either

You didn’t, I did

Seems fair enough.

We've already established that you imaginary holiday friends were not claiming PIP and so not paying for their holiday with PIP.

What do you mean if? There is no “if”.

PIP IS GENUINELY to help with daily living and/or mobility costs due to your health condition/disability.

An “expense reclaim” system wouldn’t work. That it is ludicrous idea.

Under an “expense reclaim” system, people on PIP would have to keep receipts, prove every purchase was disability related, submit claims and then wait for someone to decide whether each expense qualifies.

It would be incredibly difficult to decide what actually counts as a disability related expense. For example: if someone bought a £1,000 washing machine because their disability meant they needed to wash clothes more often, would the government reimburse the whole cost, part of it, or nothing? What about supermarket deliveries, takeaways when someone is too unwell to cook, cleaners, or taxis when public transport would cause significant pain? Every individual expense would need to be assessed and justified, creating a huge amount of bureaucracy. And that bureaucracy would itself cost taxpayers money!!!

I do wish people who have no idea about PIP, or what it’s like being disabled/chronically ill would just shut up. It’s exhausting and embarrassing.

So you had some additional costs.

And you also used it as an income top up.

In Reforms proposal you'd still receive help for the additional costs, just not cash to go to other things.

I think that's fair.

That's what the benefit is supposed to be for, additional costs. Not just extra income.

Only around 15% of PIP claimants are in work though. The vast majority aren't.

Can you recognise that a parent caring for their disabled child is considerably cheaper than any kind of paid for care? Parents earning capacity is completely compromised when their child has a disability that qualifies for maximum DLA, you’re talking about children who need very high levels of support for daily living, not a touch of anxiety and dyslexia.

For high rate care you’re looking at extensive care through the night, do you have any idea how much that costs in carers if the parent doesn’t do it? For high rate mobility you’re talking about kids who have significant mobility difficulties again, a parent providing that support is considerably cheaper than having carers come in.

If we don’t support parents to care for their kids with significant disabilities, they will need to return to full time work, and that care will fall to paid service providers, because the child needs care regardless of who does it. Believe me, the £850 or so every 4 weeks wouldn’t pay for a week of provided care for a child with disabilities so significant as to meet high care and mobility DLA.

Cutting benefits of all kinds is inevitable I’m afraid, if we don’t then the system will collapse and people will then realise reform of the system is better than no system at all. We are currently borrowing to pay interests on loans. Anyone with an ounce of financial intelligence will realise it can’t carry on the way it is currently.

I think it would save a lot of money.

I think Farage will be gone sooner rather than later, it is all starting to unravel. Clacton was a hollow victory, the investigation into his undeclared £5 million began again immediately, and there seem to be new revelations about other irregularities on a weekly basis. There must be several moles in the Reform camp. Farage is tetchy, tired and the "man of the people" mask slips regularly. Jenrick is waiting in the wings, he wants to be leader but Reform is Farage, it will fade to the fringes once he has gone

Does not surprise me they'll also privatise the NHS.

So they couldn’t have worked overtime or saved up? Must be benefits because autism,

Not everyone but a significant amount are getting fed up. I speak with a lot of people/families we all feel the same.

I’m not saying reform are the answer, but they come up with a lot of things that working people agree with. If the mainstream parties just woke up and actually listened to our concerns Reform wouldn’t even exist.

That’s because of austerity which tightened the requirements so only the most severe cases are eligible when they replaced adult DLA with PIP. So many disabled people have already lost out on financial support. It’s why we are the #1 demographic mostly likely to be living in absolute poverty.

They are different benefits, with different criteria.