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To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

438 replies

CurdinHenry · Yesterday 10:22

By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

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KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:25

I think the prime minister has a democratic duty to protect the UK’s borders. And that both Labour and previous Tory governments have chosen not to do this is disgraceful.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 12:27

AnitaCam · Yesterday 12:16

I don’t understand what you are suggesting.

You said. The amount of envy poisoning our society is epidemic. ‘ Bringing down’ is precisely what so many people want.. because they are vitriolic about the fact that some people are ‘ up

I am suggesting that the envy poisoning people who are bringing down society take their misery to the “up” crowd, maybe they’ll be less vitriolic about the fact they are now sharing the problem.

geniusinajar · Yesterday 12:27

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 12:19

I suspect you are correct @geniusinajar. I do know that particular hotel has a good proportion of doctors, a few engineers and a wizard specialising in the art of astromancy.

That's good to know as Astromancers are on the Government's list of skilled occupations and there is currently a shortage. The NHS is in desperate need of more Astromancers for pregnant women!

Dollymylove · Yesterday 12:28

Would you seriously want 1500 MEN dropped into your village of 800 residents who have paid hard earned money to live there?
All those who want more illegal men in the country should be forced to house them, at their own expense

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:28

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:25

I think the prime minister has a democratic duty to protect the UK’s borders. And that both Labour and previous Tory governments have chosen not to do this is disgraceful.

I think it’s a basic and fundamental requirement of the government too.

Yet to be done here.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:31

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:25

I think the prime minister has a democratic duty to protect the UK’s borders. And that both Labour and previous Tory governments have chosen not to do this is disgraceful.

We're obviously not in control of our own borders. Neither are the rest of Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Even the US is experiencing an influx of middle eastern/north African people. It's baffling. Almost as though it's a coordinated effort.

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:32

The UK has lost control of its borders and I think is a very serious matter. I’m surprised that not that many people agree with that.

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 12:32

Dollymylove · Yesterday 12:28

Would you seriously want 1500 MEN dropped into your village of 800 residents who have paid hard earned money to live there?
All those who want more illegal men in the country should be forced to house them, at their own expense

I don't know about that. When Russia inevitably invades the UK I wouldn't mind having a couple of hundred ablebodied young men around to protect me and my village from the hordes of Russian conscripts and Reform supporting auxillaires that want to tear down my safe, democratic way of life.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:34

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:31

We're obviously not in control of our own borders. Neither are the rest of Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Even the US is experiencing an influx of middle eastern/north African people. It's baffling. Almost as though it's a coordinated effort.

I think Australia and NZ are?

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:34

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 12:32

I don't know about that. When Russia inevitably invades the UK I wouldn't mind having a couple of hundred ablebodied young men around to protect me and my village from the hordes of Russian conscripts and Reform supporting auxillaires that want to tear down my safe, democratic way of life.

They won’t do fuck to protect you. You’re dreaming.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:35

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 12:32

I don't know about that. When Russia inevitably invades the UK I wouldn't mind having a couple of hundred ablebodied young men around to protect me and my village from the hordes of Russian conscripts and Reform supporting auxillaires that want to tear down my safe, democratic way of life.

I think Russia have sent most of their able bodied men to the front to be killed. We'll most likely be invaded by thousands of angry babushkas who will be happy to defeat the migrants and live here instead. At least we'll have something in common with them and they'll talk good sense.

Jerrybalanitis · Yesterday 12:36

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:34

They won’t do fuck to protect you. You’re dreaming.

They will be on plane home as quickly as a Ukranian with toothache 😀

Wibble128 · Yesterday 12:37

AB was not elected, he does not have an approved manifesto. No action he takes will be Democratic. No one voted for it.

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:37

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:31

We're obviously not in control of our own borders. Neither are the rest of Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Even the US is experiencing an influx of middle eastern/north African people. It's baffling. Almost as though it's a coordinated effort.

This. There must be something going on. I would love to know the answer. But then I'd probably go missing!

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:37

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:34

I think Australia and NZ are?

Not according to the people who live there. It's not being reported though. Of course the press are restricted in what they can report.

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 12:37

I agree it all seems to have exploded recently. Why are there so many Somalis in the US all of a sudden? And causing no end of trouble. As people have commented, other immigrants came to make their way, not to arrive in order to claim welfare.

HRTQueen · Yesterday 12:37

I believe all forms of supported accommodation (asylum seekers, domestic abuse accommodation, supported living for mh community patients, ex offenders hostels, supported living for people with physical disabilities, recovery hostels and so on) should be in in all socioeconomic areas.

this has long been an issue, this puts extra pressure on local public services, why should this not be shared so we are treating everyone regardless of their finances more equally

the argument about should we have so many asylum seekers is a separate conversation

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:39

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:37

This. There must be something going on. I would love to know the answer. But then I'd probably go missing!

Yes, going missing is an unfortunate side effect of telling the truth these days.

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:40

Australia and New Zealand have their problems too. Australia has gone soft on immigration, NZ somewhat but has domestic problems.

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:40

CurdinHenry · Yesterday 10:53

I just don't understand why we keep doing it. I'd take a really hard line and not take any single men at all. I don't see the point of all the downsides of Brexit and we are still taking the bad things (uncontrolled borders and those stupid bottle top tethers). The fact that it keeps happening when it seems so stupid makes me think I must be out of step because if I had the power to decide we would be emptying all those guys out toute de suite.

We didn't have small boats before Brexit. Brexit is what has caused them as we had to come out of the Dublin convention,

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:41

Wibble128 · Yesterday 12:37

AB was not elected, he does not have an approved manifesto. No action he takes will be Democratic. No one voted for it.

Nothing that happens in this country is democratic.

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:41

It's nothing to do with Brexit. This crisis is happening all over Europe & the USA.

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:42

What's a bottle top tether?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:42

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:40

We didn't have small boats before Brexit. Brexit is what has caused them as we had to come out of the Dublin convention,

We still had high asylum claims when in the EU.

And has the Dublin Agreement resolved issues for countries in the EU? Can you say which countries?

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:43

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:41

Nothing that happens in this country is democratic.

Exactly. 66% of the electorate did not vote for labour in the last election!