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To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

438 replies

CurdinHenry · Yesterday 10:22

By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

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smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:43

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:40

We didn't have small boats before Brexit. Brexit is what has caused them as we had to come out of the Dublin convention,

And the other countries who are experiencing the same phenomenon?

Goodness me, even the legendary trump has to stand by and allow them to come! And him being a strong man an' all. Baffling don't you think?

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:44

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:42

We still had high asylum claims when in the EU.

And has the Dublin Agreement resolved issues for countries in the EU? Can you say which countries?

asylum is not the same as illegal immigration.

Beesandhoney123 · Yesterday 12:44

I have a friend who volunteers with aslysum seekers. The most difficult thing is trying to explain they are not at the top of the housing list. That is for people - yes British! trying to escape domestic abuse, child abuse, violence. Things like that. Urgent desparate need. Not asylum seekers now in a safe place. Its intetesting culturally too, not uderstanding they cant have a flat with onebedroom and a family with kids of different sexes, teenagers etc.

They want the best they can get. Like everyone, but they cant be prioritised. We shouldnt be trying so hard and they shiuld be escorted immediately back to the first safe country they passed through. . It wont make britain better in the long or short term. Its not racism, its common sense.

Cheese55 · Yesterday 12:45

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:43

Exactly. 66% of the electorate did not vote for labour in the last election!

That's proportionate representation and we had a referendum about that

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:45

Beesandhoney123 · Yesterday 12:44

I have a friend who volunteers with aslysum seekers. The most difficult thing is trying to explain they are not at the top of the housing list. That is for people - yes British! trying to escape domestic abuse, child abuse, violence. Things like that. Urgent desparate need. Not asylum seekers now in a safe place. Its intetesting culturally too, not uderstanding they cant have a flat with onebedroom and a family with kids of different sexes, teenagers etc.

They want the best they can get. Like everyone, but they cant be prioritised. We shouldnt be trying so hard and they shiuld be escorted immediately back to the first safe country they passed through. . It wont make britain better in the long or short term. Its not racism, its common sense.

They should be last on the list. I can't imagine breaking into a country and expecting to jump the queue.

suburburban · Yesterday 12:46

bestchooseanother · Yesterday 12:14

I think they should be returned immediately, and if they've forgotten where they've come form, locked up until they remember. Illegal entry should offer no route to asylum. I would also remove any that have arrived previously, unless they can prove they have contributed more than they've cost. Genuine asylum seekers should be housed in camps close to where they have escaped from, and distributed across willing nations. Preferably starting with the most vulnerable. Though I remember Cameron suggesting that, and he was attacked as a massive racist. But maybe times have changed.

I'm not sure I'd give many young, fit men asylum at all though - who's supposed to help make their countries better if they all flee? While we give them lovely lives over here, the old, poor, disabled, young and female are left to suffer without anyone to help them and change things. I struggle to see how anyone can think that's morally correct. If the young, fit and wealthy are no longer able to just scarper, they may realise they have no choice but to improve their own societies. Like Europeans once had to.

Yes I think so

Or reintroduce the Rwanda scheme pronto, they need to be detained not distributed across the UK

Cheese55 · Yesterday 12:46

HRTQueen · Yesterday 12:37

I believe all forms of supported accommodation (asylum seekers, domestic abuse accommodation, supported living for mh community patients, ex offenders hostels, supported living for people with physical disabilities, recovery hostels and so on) should be in in all socioeconomic areas.

this has long been an issue, this puts extra pressure on local public services, why should this not be shared so we are treating everyone regardless of their finances more equally

the argument about should we have so many asylum seekers is a separate conversation

Because accommodation is more expensive in affluent areas

geniusinajar · Yesterday 12:46

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:40

We didn't have small boats before Brexit. Brexit is what has caused them as we had to come out of the Dublin convention,

This is incorrect. When we were in the Dublin Convention (before Brexit) the UK was a NET recipient! Very few people were actually removed under the agreement, it was basically useless.

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 12:47

On a slightly separate issue, did anyone else see the women dressed as clowns “entertaining” the Calais migrants? The men were totally ignoring them as the daft do-gooders were leaping around performing inclusive comedy…

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:47

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:44

asylum is not the same as illegal immigration.

Yes that’s great, still in answer to the question which EU country is using the Dublin agreement to resolve migration issues?

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:47

The government just aren't listening. I don't care whether they are in hotels, hovels or a country house, they shouldn't be here.

Cheese55 · Yesterday 12:48

luckylavender · Yesterday 12:42

What's a bottle top tether?

The new water bottle tops that don't close i think. Brexit was never going to get us out of having to make changes like that. I'm not sure why anyone thought it would.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:49

geniusinajar · Yesterday 12:46

This is incorrect. When we were in the Dublin Convention (before Brexit) the UK was a NET recipient! Very few people were actually removed under the agreement, it was basically useless.

It’s misinformation isn’t it, but still gets put out there on each thread and in the media too - the BBC and the Telegraph even.

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 12:49

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:41

Nothing that happens in this country is democratic.

We live in a liberal democracy.
If it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to post what you just did.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:51

angelos02 · Yesterday 12:45

They should be last on the list. I can't imagine breaking into a country and expecting to jump the queue.

Male entitlement

KateMossingIt · Yesterday 12:51

There’s been small boats for the last 10 years or so. And illegal immigration before that. No government seems to want to defend the UK’s borders.

It’s unbelievable, yet it’s happening. When I came to the UK in 2002 (I’d lived here as a child too), I had a big stamp in my passport, NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS. Yet, my great-grandparents were born in the UK and both my grandfathers fought on the Allied side in WW2. I didn’t expect anything. I was so happy to hear and I’ve always worked hard.

UK is wonderful is so many ways and utterly gone to shit in many others. .

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:52

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 12:49

We live in a liberal democracy.
If it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to post what you just did.

😂😂😂

Oh dear, you believe this? I cannot post what I actually want to, trust me!

charliehungerford · Yesterday 12:53

Backwardsbinn · Yesterday 10:24

I’d prefer fewer asylum seekers in the UK but yes, I think it’s only right that their are spread over all socioeconomic areas, so that the champagne socialists who vote for more immigrants actually have to live with the consequences of what they vote for - positive or negative.

You’re so right. I know someone living in a £950k house on a lovely development in a very exclusive village who say there are no such thing as illegal immigrants and everyone should be welcomed and accommodated.

JHound · Yesterday 12:53

I think most people want fewer asylum seekers unless they are Ukranian.

So I don’t think it matters where they are housed though I do think they should be housed in a mix of socio-economic areas.

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:54

'The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.'

HRTQueen · Yesterday 12:56

Cheese55 · Yesterday 12:46

Because accommodation is more expensive in affluent areas

I am aware that properties are more expensive but these properties are not bought with the intention to sell them in the future

Its the costs of running these services not the cost of purchasing buildings (often on long-term leases) that is the be far significant costs

The are kept out of areas as they can be problematic but that's ok for some people to have to live with in our society (areas with people who are less likely to complain and challenge local authorities/start campaigns/treaten legal action) than others.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 12:56

EasternStandard · Yesterday 12:42

We still had high asylum claims when in the EU.

And has the Dublin Agreement resolved issues for countries in the EU? Can you say which countries?

Yes I’d love to know too? This is not a UK only problem, the daily mail highlights it. There has been 1000’s hitting mainland Spain in the boats too, Italy, Greece, poor Spain due to old squatting laws are having a major problem with squatters.
Last year a group of men arrived, ran up the beach through a hotel lobby, had a scuffle, then one was kicked to death in the lobby of the hotel for his cash, while the users sat in shock, Spanish media contain a lot of it.

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 12:58

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 12:47

On a slightly separate issue, did anyone else see the women dressed as clowns “entertaining” the Calais migrants? The men were totally ignoring them as the daft do-gooders were leaping around performing inclusive comedy…

Why on earth would they need to dress as clowns?

Surely, even if they had appeared in the nude, it would have been obvious to all God's children that clowns is indeed what they are.

No need for costumes.

Monty36 · Yesterday 12:59

If the view is to put people in places where they know or suspect they will never vote Labour, no this is not right.

But that is what will be meant by it in reality.

BeatrizBoniface · Yesterday 13:02

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 12:52

😂😂😂

Oh dear, you believe this? I cannot post what I actually want to, trust me!

🙄