To ask if you think the prime minister has a democratic duty to house asylum seekers in middle class areas

[CurdinHenry]

By which I mean, would most voters support this as opposed to a change in policy to refuse in greater numbers? I honestly can't tell what "the majority" actually wants. I would prefer fewer having seen how things went in Germany thanks to the Merkel wave but I am willing to believe I'm a backwards old boomer and a majority would be more welcoming.

They (UK governments) tend to say they have no choice due to the echr but this isn't true. There are a lot of operational choices they could make (eg sometimes when people are denied entry at the border they are actually allowed into the country for a few days and instructed to report back to the airport when it's time for the removal flight).

@BeatrizBoniface "They must wonder why food banks are necessary."

while eating food paid for by the taxpayer.

I think having the debate in the first place is just backdoor way of getting some people to say "yes, let's have immigrants" (but over there) rather than a flat "no"

Are people who object to the boats called racist? I don't think anyone wants to see the crossings continue.

Those who demonise the people coming over in those boats, that is a different kettle of fish.

No-one with half a brain cares about being called racist in regard to this.

People laugh at it and quite rightly treat it with derision, which is the beginning of the end for it.

It's only soft heads, bleeding hearts and those with an agenda who still throw the term around, thinking that it will still make people quake and shut down discussion...it doesn't.

Am I a racist for saying no to any more of these people-that's right-these people? No I'm not but if you think I am well, so what! Who cares.

There was a news report on a 'Refugees Welcome' March. The reporter asked one of the supporters who was waving his 'Refugees Welcome' sign if he would be willing to house one. Of course he said no. So it seems these virtue signallers want it to be someone else who sorts it.

We need to have a deterrent to stop people wanting to come here. We are paying millions to the French and yet in the last few days nearly 1000 migrants have crossed the channel.

Only issue I can see is that it would give false expectations to the asylum seekers. Imagine if your first exposure to UK society and life was Burton on the Water or a HMO on Unthank Road in Norwich. They would think everyone lives like that and have a completely skewed view of what ordinary life is like here.

The policy is sensible because many parts of the country are still heavily lacking the benefits of diversity and by increasing the proportion in a more fair and balanced manner, everybody in the country gets a share in the beauty of multiculturalism.

The issue isnt really asylum seekers.

Its migrants whose main driver is economic, but who have limited legal routes to migrate, and identified that there are lots of arguments they can make to claim asylum.

i think the way you reduce this is you limit the pull factors that drive economic migrants.

1. tax or limit remittances overseas, or require evidence of source of funds (payslips etc). Heavily fine wire transfer providers who do not check source of funds. Have it as a fixed fee on a remittance to stop deter people sending multiple small transfers to avoid checks on bigger amounts.
2. introduce ID cards that make it difficult to exist as an undocumented migrant in the uk
3. target the black economy - the vape shops and mini marts & hand car washes that are often employing illegal immigrants cash in hand
4. target people coming on tourist visas for 6 months and working as cash in hand au pairs or labourers. This is huge where I live. It could be limited/made more difficult by requiring anyone arriving staying longer than a month to have a) proof of significant funds to support that stay b) proof of booked/paid accommodation etc

Not really because the reality is they will end up staying there forever

I don't understand your point?

They are not allowed to do paid work, so they don't have much option but to eat food paid for by the taxpayer. At least if they are helping out at a food bank, they are trying to integrate and give back.

Back again, Debbie. Hello!

I think most of us know now that you actually believe the opposite of this, although the sarcasm is a little thick handed.

It's topsy turvey.

Absolutely every word of this.

I wonder what the poor buggers in line for their dried pasta and beans think.

I could hazard a guess.

I don't think it's a duty to house any asylum seekers. As nearly all of them are economic migrants. And why are they seeking asylum from France. Is France not a safe country.

This with big brass bells on !!

Ah, here is today’s ‘what should the PM do about asylum seekers’ thread.

In 5 minutes it will be ‘what should govt do about those pesky boomers living it up in their mansions they bought for a fiver’ thread.

It’s so obvious it’s almost laughable.

And I am NOT troll hunting.

We have experience of immigrants being placed in rural areas (not necessarily a class-based issue). The problem is that they have nowhere to go and nothing to do so they become a nuisance. They need to be housed in urban areas where there is public transport and other facilities they can used, not in the countryside.

PMSL

Like your thinking !!🙄

I think they should be housed in areas that vote Green. They most definitely shouldn’t be housed in Refirm constituencies, that’s flouting democracy.

There are a lot of difficult truths when it comes to asylum seekers

We can't accommodate everybody who wants to come and live here. Unregulated daily boat crossing over a period of years isn't sustainable.

If we allow unregistered asylum seekers with no provable evidence of identity we are weakening our borders, at a time of grave international crisis. Inevitably, as well as those who desperately need and deserve asylum there will be some coming that route who wants to harm us. If you have nefarious intentions or are a dangerous criminal in your home country you're not going to come the legal route and be turned back at the airport.
The safest way for us as a country to take in those who need our help is through legal routes where applications are vetted.
Sadly this does not help the desperate who are stuck for years in the system.
To me the only way forward is to stop the illegal gangs ...how???! and make the legal process more accessible, speedier and fairer.
With AI, the international network etc drastically cutting down jobs, apart from genuine asylum seekers, we need to grasp the nettle and understand that for future generations it increasingly looks like the job market is decreasing, and it is highly lightly that there will be fewer jobs around so we are going to have to make tough decisions about how big our annual intake of others can be.
No easy answers I'm afraid.

Surely the democratic duty of the Prime Minister/Government is to do what is in the best interests of the people of the country who pay taxes and who are governed by consent. If the Prime Minister is no longer going to work to ensure a safe, prosperous, civil and functioning country for the actual people whose interests he is supposed to represent and fight for, then democracy becomes meaningless and the whole idea of paying tax, abiding by the rules of civic and legal society with the assumption that the Government will in return seek to provide something positive in return collapses. Quid pro quo.

The Government should not be passing the problem to the middle classes but trying to stop the problem altogether. That is their remit. The economic and societal damage of their policy of doing nothing or passing the buck is going to be absolutely calamitous to the future of the UK.

No, he should be sending them back to which ever safe country they passed through.

The Socialist Government in Spain is deploying the Army to round up the migrants who burst into Ceuta last week, putting them in warehouses and deporting them. The EU hasn't said a peep.

But not white Socialist areas like Kensington & Bayswater, Harrow, or Peterborough or Lib Dem like Henley & Thame,