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To agree with Andy Burnham that it’s about time the middle classes took their fair share

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Morningteacup2 · 11/08/2026 18:11

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/11/burnham-middle-class-areas-must-take-more-hotel-migrants/

Not a huge fan of Labour I must say, but this is well overdue!

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DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:37

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 11:27

There is no evidence to suggest you are in any more danger from a man who recently came to the country from Afghanistan than you are from a man called Dave who grew up in Barnsley.

Oh yes there is. According to the German stats, the recent arrival from Afghanistan is sixteen times more likely to rape you than Dave (or indeed Hans, as it was a reference against rates of sexual offenses by German men).

There have also been numerous threads on here about women finding it uncomfortable travelling to places like Egypt, Morocco or India due to street sexual harrassment. These men don't magically behave when they get here - in fact the opposite. They are bored, away from the social restrictions of their home countries, have no stake in or care for the communities they are now living in, no access to willing female companionship, and they egg each other on, as seen in the Brighton beach gang rape case.

I'm sorry I just came in this thread to dispute the accusation about asylum seeker men needing their 'sexual needs met' when they can find many local women who will be more than happy to establish long lasting relationships with them, I have no interest in getting into protracted arguments over suspicious data from countries like Germany when I know for a fact that these people are no danger to us whatsoever. They are desperate people fleeing war, famine and persecution. They need to be treated with kindness and respect, not subjected to horrendous accusations about their sexual intentions.

I just hate what's happening to society. This must be what it felt like to a sensible liberal in 1930's Germany. I am so scared.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:37

ChattyKnickers · Yesterday 11:26

Where would you rather your DDs go on holiday to? Poland or Afghanistan? Where is she safer?

My post above was in response to this one.

WestwardHo1 · Yesterday 11:38

Fuck that

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 11:38

MrsMavisPike · Yesterday 10:22

You were responding to a post that wondered where these men would have their sexual needs met and the poster was worried about rapes.

What are you implying? That a woman has to be attractive to be raped.

These men rape children and old women, so fuck off with your "flattering to be raped" shit. Any hole will do.

Maybe you think women should make them selves invisible or unattractive to avoid being raped-cover their hair, wear a burka.

In which case, I think we know exactly who and what you are.

Thank you for your posts @MrsMavisPike

You can articulate what I want to say so much better than I can.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:38

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:36

Obviously we want DC to date decent, loving people. My family also value intelligence. And if we’re honest probably all of us are concerned for the life chances not only of DC but of all YP we love. Economics is a factor.

None of this imposes a racial or ethnic requirement on a date or partner, and your comment about a ‘decent white British man’ for DD has shaken me - as a white person - to the core.

The chances that an asylum seeker will struggle economically are higher, but it is by no means a given. I also know refugees who have become very successful here.

Overall, immigrants make a net positive contribution of about £3 Billion annually to the British economy. It is by no means a given that the contributors will continue to find the UK appealing if we increase hostility to the others.

This thread is more focussed on crossings though, rather than work visas. Does your figure narrow just to that?

SadiraOfTyr · Yesterday 11:38

TheOutlier · Yesterday 11:29

Forget any agreements with France. The French take a lot of money and deliver nothing. The RNLI should simply return all boat migrants to Calais each and every time.

That obviously requires an agreement with France though.

Shitshowpolitics · Yesterday 11:40

RosesAndPeoniesAndIrises · Yesterday 11:34

What an odd post. Are you suggesting women who fear a rise in sexual assault on themselves and their daughters do so because they have a high opinion of themselves?

No, that's not remotely what I said. My comment was specifically in response to “How are all these young men going to take care of their sexual needs?” from GiaGia16 and FunPeachEagle *

That's quite a leap from legitimate concerns about women's safety to implying that thousands of men arriving in Britain are going to need British women to satisfy their “sexual needs”. That's the self importance I was referring to.

Women being concerned about rape and sexual assault is perfectly legitimate I'm a woman myself and those issues concern me too. What I find ridiculous is treating male migrants as one homogeneous mass of sexually desperate men and then implying that British women and girls are inevitably going to be their targets.

Those are two very different arguments, and I'd rather you didn't turn what I actually said into something else.

Somerford · Yesterday 11:40

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:37

I'm sorry I just came in this thread to dispute the accusation about asylum seeker men needing their 'sexual needs met' when they can find many local women who will be more than happy to establish long lasting relationships with them, I have no interest in getting into protracted arguments over suspicious data from countries like Germany when I know for a fact that these people are no danger to us whatsoever. They are desperate people fleeing war, famine and persecution. They need to be treated with kindness and respect, not subjected to horrendous accusations about their sexual intentions.

I just hate what's happening to society. This must be what it felt like to a sensible liberal in 1930's Germany. I am so scared.

You have no interest in arguing a case for any of your claims because where data exists, it proves you wrong. May as well cut through your waffle and get to the point.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:40

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:38

This thread is more focussed on crossings though, rather than work visas. Does your figure narrow just to that?

I am thinking that immigrants may view hostility to asylum seekers as a leading indicator - and I cannot claim originality, though I don’t have a source to hand.

LakieLady · Yesterday 11:40

KatiePricesKnickers · Yesterday 08:00

Don’t talk bollocks.

It's not bollocks.

Under the Dublin III regulation, EU member states have the right to request that asylum seekers arriving there are returned to the first EU country they arrived in. We threw away that right when we left the EU.

I accept that such applications are often declined, for a whole host of reasons, but that right still exists.

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:41

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:37

My post above was in response to this one.

Wrong quote, I apologise.

Bushmillsbabe · Yesterday 11:43

LakieLady · Yesterday 10:30

Have you got a source for that, please?

I've known 4 people who entered the UK as asylum seekers and got refugee status (3 as clients and one I know socially). All of them are working and earning decent money (one is a psychiatrist working in the NHS, another a surveyor, the third was a TEFL teacher). The friend who is the 4th one came here as an asylum seeker, got an archaelogy degree while waiting for her asylum application to be determined and is now running the education programme for a museum and two historic buildings. All working, paying tax and contributing to society.

I didn't say that no asylum seekers is a net contributor, but on average/when taken as a total group, they are not net contributors. That doesn't mean they don't contribute towards society, many make valuable contributions that's aren't necessarily financial. I was responding specifically to a comment that said asylum seekers as a group will be contributing towards the pot which will pay for our pensions.

The source is 'migration watch' from memory

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:43

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:40

I am thinking that immigrants may view hostility to asylum seekers as a leading indicator - and I cannot claim originality, though I don’t have a source to hand.

I’m not sure. Countries such as Australia are still very attractive for work visas with a system that stops crossings in place.

DeterminedRat · Yesterday 11:43

smallglassbottle · Yesterday 11:18

Poor old Sweden eh? The once peaceful, democratic country reduced to the rape capital of Europe due to some people now living in their country. Gangs, violence and drugs to top it off.

If you want to know the future, look to Iran, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, North Africa, Albania to see how Europe will look within 20 years.

Do you genuinely believe that Europe will be like Iran within 20 years? Can you walk through how you see it happening? A coup? A voting majority of Muslims who want to see Sharia law, not all Muslims will want that so the majority of Muslim population would have to be pretty big. How would this massive rise of Muslims happen? Not 200 a time in dingys surely, will they upgrade to cruise ships? Muslims make up about 6% of Europe's population right now, 700million people in Europe aren't Muslim vs 45million who are and not all of those would like to see Europe be like Iran. That's a heck of a lot people they need to make that majority up in 20 years.

20 years ago the Muslim population of Europe was 4%, if they are so desperate to take over why have they done it so slowly so far and why have they suddenly decided that they are going to ramp those efforts up considerably to becoming a majority within the next 20? Was there a big Muslim meeting about it where they all came together and decided they had been slacking so far and they need to get their heads in the game?

So yeah I'd love if you could walk us through this takeover?

pag3turn3r · Yesterday 11:44

Shitshowpolitics · Yesterday 10:34

What evidence do you have that these supposedly “invisible” men are dealing ketamine, supplying stolen cars and trafficking women? You can't say they're absent from the statistics and then simultaneously claim to know what they're doing. That's prejudice presented as fact.

You should listen to this doc on BBC Sounds. I found it illuminating.

The documentary shows evidence that this is indeed happening but our local police have limited resources to correctly deal with it.

The shows talks about the types of people being smuggled, how they raise the money and their motivation for moving here.

I'm left leaning and had similar views to you. I happened upon this documentary and it changed my views on small boats.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m002wlfn?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

poetryandwine · Yesterday 11:45

ChattyKnickers · Yesterday 10:52

Would you rather your daughter date a decent white British man or a Afghan man?

My post of 11.36 was in response to this one.

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:46

Somerford · Yesterday 11:40

You have no interest in arguing a case for any of your claims because where data exists, it proves you wrong. May as well cut through your waffle and get to the point.

No there isn't any data that proves me wrong. The data says that you are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone who is white British. That's what the data says. So don't go copying links of various individual crimes or making up spurious claims about "grooming gangs" when the data says explicitly that it is white British men committing the majority of sexual offences.

That's all that needs to be said. Close the thread, refugees welcome. Free Palestine.

I have nothing more to say to you.

ChattyKnickers · Yesterday 11:48

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:46

No there isn't any data that proves me wrong. The data says that you are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone who is white British. That's what the data says. So don't go copying links of various individual crimes or making up spurious claims about "grooming gangs" when the data says explicitly that it is white British men committing the majority of sexual offences.

That's all that needs to be said. Close the thread, refugees welcome. Free Palestine.

I have nothing more to say to you.

Per capita mean nothing to you sunshine

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 11:49

Danielyeye · Yesterday 11:35

The ottomans, mongolians and Arabs all have some messed up history in how they treated other people.
The Arabs also had black slaves but their descendants aren’t around to demand reparations because they were forcibly castrated.

Anyway for some reason only white people have to pay for the sins of their ancestors. Even if that means turning a blind eye to young white girls being raped Because other white people did bad things a few centuries ago

Edited

Let's not forget that the Ottoman slavers did a roaring trade with 1.25 million British and Europeans - the Barbary slave trade.

probablyamunreasonable · Yesterday 11:49

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:46

No there isn't any data that proves me wrong. The data says that you are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone who is white British. That's what the data says. So don't go copying links of various individual crimes or making up spurious claims about "grooming gangs" when the data says explicitly that it is white British men committing the majority of sexual offences.

That's all that needs to be said. Close the thread, refugees welcome. Free Palestine.

I have nothing more to say to you.

The data shows that because white British people are the majority in Britain (at the moment anyway).

Somerford · Yesterday 11:51

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:46

No there isn't any data that proves me wrong. The data says that you are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone who is white British. That's what the data says. So don't go copying links of various individual crimes or making up spurious claims about "grooming gangs" when the data says explicitly that it is white British men committing the majority of sexual offences.

That's all that needs to be said. Close the thread, refugees welcome. Free Palestine.

I have nothing more to say to you.

You're really flailing aren't you, it wouldn't be so difficult or stressful for you if you were correct. There is a ton of data that proves you wrong, you choose to label it all "spurious" because you can't bear to see your ideology threatened.

Somerford · Yesterday 11:51

ChattyKnickers · Yesterday 11:48

Per capita mean nothing to you sunshine

Spurious...SPURIOUS!!!111!!11!

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 11:52

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:37

I'm sorry I just came in this thread to dispute the accusation about asylum seeker men needing their 'sexual needs met' when they can find many local women who will be more than happy to establish long lasting relationships with them, I have no interest in getting into protracted arguments over suspicious data from countries like Germany when I know for a fact that these people are no danger to us whatsoever. They are desperate people fleeing war, famine and persecution. They need to be treated with kindness and respect, not subjected to horrendous accusations about their sexual intentions.

I just hate what's happening to society. This must be what it felt like to a sensible liberal in 1930's Germany. I am so scared.

The "suspicious data" you refer to comes from the Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt).

I'm sure the fact that these men are "no danger" will be a great comfort to the victims of rape and sexual attacks by migrants.

I know of no woman personally who would gladly enter into a relationship with a poorly educated man from a country with questionable views on women.

ChattyKnickers · Yesterday 11:54

Somerford · Yesterday 11:51

You're really flailing aren't you, it wouldn't be so difficult or stressful for you if you were correct. There is a ton of data that proves you wrong, you choose to label it all "spurious" because you can't bear to see your ideology threatened.

Denmark have data where controlling for gender and age lo and behold....

SpaceRaccoon · Yesterday 11:54

DebbieSavage · Yesterday 11:46

No there isn't any data that proves me wrong. The data says that you are more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone who is white British. That's what the data says. So don't go copying links of various individual crimes or making up spurious claims about "grooming gangs" when the data says explicitly that it is white British men committing the majority of sexual offences.

That's all that needs to be said. Close the thread, refugees welcome. Free Palestine.

I have nothing more to say to you.

Why have you shoehorned Palestine into this?

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