To agree with Andy Burnham that it’s about time the middle classes took their fair share

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/08/11/burnham-middle-class-areas-must-take-more-hotel-migrants/

Not a huge fan of Labour I must say, but this is well overdue!

I thought the statistics say that it's never been more safer to be a woman than now anyway? It seems that there is a correlation between higher rates of migration to the UK and less misogny in society so if any argument is to be made, it can be made that immigration actually makes society more tolerant and less misogynistic.

I've not been to Poland but many MNers say how safe it is. Walking in the streets of Budapest felt so freeing and safe and relaxing

That might be part of the plan.
Put them in the nice areas, cause a fuss, and something will actually be done about it.

Have you ever been to a third world country, outside the tourist areas?

I agree there is good and bad everywhere and it would be ridiculous to say everyone from a ‘third world’ place is bad. And yes we have some awful men born and bred in Britain.

But the attitudes towards women can be very very different elsewhere in the world. As a woman, you wouldn’t wear the same thing in Barnsley as you would in many of the countries these men are coming from.

Whether there is evidence or not depends on whether your country wants to collect data so that we know the truth, or if the state wants to actively suppress it. Where the state bothers to record things properly and makes the data available, such as in Germany, Sweden and Denmark, immigrants are over-represented in sex crime statistics. In Germany in 2024, 42% of suspects across all crime categories were non-German.

Poor old Sweden eh? The once peaceful, democratic country reduced to the rape capital of Europe due to some people now living in their country. Gangs, violence and drugs to top it off.

If you want to know the future, look to Iran, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, North Africa, Albania to see how Europe will look within 20 years.

True.
If numbers did continue to go down over the next few years would you be happy with that? Or would you still want to see "tougher" measures in place even if the "tougher" measures were arguably less effective?

Yes you are right

my dgps were migrants too

I feel so sorry for my Dgc who could be faced with this. For example freedom of religious choice

Of course it did, but you have to really be burying your head in the sand and putting ideology above the safety of women to not realise and the risk factor of bringing a lot of mostly young men, many of which are from countries where women have fewer rights and are treated like slaves or objects in men's ownership!! From a feminist standpoint, it makes no sense to not have concerns or objections to that.

I came back from poland this week and it does feel incredibly safe. Lots of families walking around late into the night

Men from third world countries are men from countries that are the third world. Countries no one wants to go to. Countries where women are treated like shit.

Cologne clearly shows what these men are like.

Per capita data from here and vastly many other EU/EEA nations is clear. These migrant men commit more sexual crime per capita. Denmark has data, Poland has data. It's all there.

What statistic says that it's never been safer to be a woman, and if such a statistic exists how do you directly link that to immigration? The number of recorded rapes in England and Wales in 1997 was 6628, its now 74727. In Poland it was less than 1100 for the 2025 calendar year.

A destroyer cannot do this. They aren't equipped to embark or disembark small boats (other than their own lifeboats). They are air-defence platforms. They don't even have a ship's boat (or davits to launch one) and all embarkment at sea is by helicopter.

The Coastguard and RNLI are far better equipped to embark passengers from a small boat and take them to port. As I stated above all it takes is an agreement with France to return ALL irregular migrants in the channel to France and the problem will fix itself.

Labour politicians show us the way !

Where would you rather your DDs go on holiday to? Poland or Afghanistan? Where is she safer?

There is no evidence to suggest you are in any more danger from a man who recently came to the country from Afghanistan than you are from a man called Dave who grew up in Barnsley.

Oh yes there is. According to the German stats, the recent arrival from Afghanistan is sixteen times more likely to rape you than Dave (or indeed Hans, as it was a reference against rates of sexual offenses by German men).

There have also been numerous threads on here about women finding it uncomfortable travelling to places like Egypt, Morocco or India due to street sexual harrassment. These men don't magically behave when they get here - in fact the opposite. They are bored, away from the social restrictions of their home countries, have no stake in or care for the communities they are now living in, no access to willing female companionship, and they egg each other on, as seen in the Brighton beach gang rape case.

@SadiraOfTyr well I heard someone with naval experience on the radio goong through how it can be done . Somerhng about the boats from the boats ? But yes it can be done

Forget any agreements with France. The French take a lot of money and deliver nothing. The RNLI should simply return all boat migrants to Calais each and every time.

Traditionally if there were shortages of workers in an industry, wages rose. Now we can just import cheap labour. Problem solved (for some).

Illegal immigration makes a complete mockery of all the legal immigrants showing their qualifications, getting their papers together, paying some vast fortune in admin fees. I had to jump through all those stupid hoops after Brexit despite being here for 25 years. I don't want queue jumpers.

Exactly. I think people find it comforting to say something like "well I don't support illegal immigration but we still have obligations to take in refugees so we should take our quota in via Safe And Legal Routes".

For this to not be a complete disaster it requires:

• Rejecting 99%+ of applications even when they have really sad stories. There will be a lot of applications. There are billions of people in the world living in abject poverty, countries with no LGBT rights, countries where you can beat your wives or your children die of trivially preventable diseases. They all have mobile phones with internet access to apply.
• Applying a fixed quota based on ability to provide support, likely needing to be zero in the first years to accommodate people already here.
• Still needing to significantly step up enforcement of the border in the Channel and deportations of people who are rejected from the scheme, remember this is 99%+ of the applicants so it's effectively the same as now.

The next time you are at a dinner party and someone mentions Safe And Legal Routes ask them what mechanism they will use to cap numbers, and at what level they will cap.

It makes a mockery of all of us having qualifications and saving money and buying our own homes and not breaking the law, frankly!

What an odd post. Are you suggesting women who fear a rise in sexual assault on themselves and their daughters do so because they have a high opinion of themselves?

The ottomans, mongolians and Arabs all have some messed up history in how they treated other people.
The Arabs also had black slaves but their descendants aren’t around to demand reparations because they were forcibly castrated.

Anyway for some reason only white people have to pay for the sins of their ancestors. Even if that means turning a blind eye to young white girls being raped Because other white people did bad things a few centuries ago

Obviously we want DC to date decent, loving people. My family also value intelligence. And if we’re honest probably all of us are concerned for the life chances not only of DC but of all YP we love. Economics is a factor.

None of this imposes a racial or ethnic requirement on a date or partner, and your comment about a ‘decent white British man’ for DD has shaken me - as a white person - to the core.

The chances that an asylum seeker will struggle economically are higher, but it is by no means a given. I also know refugees who have become very successful here.

Overall, immigrants make a net positive contribution of about £3 Billion annually to the British economy. It is by no means a given that the contributors will continue to find the UK appealing if we increase hostility to the others.