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To find this entitled?

552 replies

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahh · 04/08/2026 16:55

This doesn't apply to people with childcare or caring responsibilities, any sort of illness or disability which means they cannot work full time.
But I've seen a few people on here or social media basically saying 'I can do supply/care work/0 hours work and sometimes only get a shift or two a week, because my husband earns well.'

So they're pretty much choosing to swan about and avoid full-time work, because they assume their husband or partner will carry on in their high-earning, full time role.

What happens if this husband loses their job, becomes sick, or just decides they're sick of having to be the breadwinner?

I see it all the time on supply teacher pages,'Oh I've only had 1 day of work in 2 months but it's fine because my husband is the breadwinner!!'

There are other jobs where you could make a living, you just don't want to do them, yet you still want your dream forever house and luxury lifestyle. If it were the wife full-time and the husband taking the piss there would be uproar.

OP posts:
emmas123 · Yesterday 14:28

godmum56 · Yesterday 12:20

But what if those risks were taken care of?

The only way to achieve that is a full separation of assets while they're still married. Which is very rare in that situation.

And even if that was to happen, the resources or means to create wealth stability is still very heavily geared to the partner who has been economically active (who would come away with demonstrated job history, NI contributions etc)

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:32

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 14:21

AAh.
I mean yes... if thats what works for people.
Some of us have more self-respect.

so I have no self respect because I didn’t have a paid role?

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:37

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 14:22

Good for you.
There's many many women out there not married to your husband.

indeed.
i resent the assumption that people who to manage their marriage/partnership/family in this way are all a bit dim and have not thought through the consequences. When is become apparent that this has been considered all you have left to argue is that we have no self respect!

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 14:42

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:37

indeed.
i resent the assumption that people who to manage their marriage/partnership/family in this way are all a bit dim and have not thought through the consequences. When is become apparent that this has been considered all you have left to argue is that we have no self respect!

There's many many women who are left high and dry when their partner ups and leaves.
Thinking its never going to happen to you is delusional.
Each to their own but I can say there's no way I would ever be totally reliant on anybody.
And yes- I am married.

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 14:44

Tanyasfatmate · Yesterday 14:12

Similar situation to me but my DH is v senior public servant. I take care of everything that enables him to do his job, from travel arrangements and packing for him, making and confirming plans for meetings and events, lots of general admin, organising his wardrobe (much more involved than washing socks!), all sorts of logistics, not just running the home and family (which I know all single parents have to do anyway).
Basically the taxpayer pays for him and gets me for free, because secretarial support is nowhere near enough. I am not alone in doing this. Many many women and a few men do this for (or should I say, with) their partner. It doesn't make us "dependent on a man" - heck, I'll be financially comfortable if we divorced, and have buckets of free time! It just means we work as a team, and financially he shares everything with me. Sadly though it's not recognised either by employers or other people. I am posting as an explanatory response to the OP, not as a whinge.

Wow

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:46

godmum56 · Yesterday 14:27

its not being unable to its being involved in doing stuff elsewhere at work.

Exactly. My dh was perfectly capable of doing everything at home, but why make life more difficult that it needs to be. It also meant he could spend his free time with dcs rather than packing for an overseas trip.

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 14:49

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 14:44

Wow

IKR?

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:52

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 14:42

There's many many women who are left high and dry when their partner ups and leaves.
Thinking its never going to happen to you is delusional.
Each to their own but I can say there's no way I would ever be totally reliant on anybody.
And yes- I am married.

as all the savings were in my name, if dh had left me then I would not have been financially vulnerable. I am not financially vulnerable now either and neither is he. You don’t seem to grasp that these factors were considered when we jointly decided who would work and who would not.

Tanyasfatmate · Yesterday 14:54

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 14:44

Wow

Why wow?
Lots of partners take this role....it happens at the top levels in private industry, in public service, diplomatic service....even vicars with large challenging parishes! Some jobs just come with the expectation that the salary covers the spouse too. It's not right, but it is a fact.

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:59

Tanyasfatmate · Yesterday 14:54

Why wow?
Lots of partners take this role....it happens at the top levels in private industry, in public service, diplomatic service....even vicars with large challenging parishes! Some jobs just come with the expectation that the salary covers the spouse too. It's not right, but it is a fact.

Yes, it’s clear that some posters have no experience of how relationships might work when one spouse has a senior role. I was also expected to entertain and attend company events. If I had worked we would have needed paid help at home.

abracadabra1980 · Yesterday 15:02

Floatlikeafeather2 · 04/08/2026 16:57

I don't understand why it's any skin off your nose. Or any of your business.

100% agree.

godmum56 · Yesterday 15:14

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:52

as all the savings were in my name, if dh had left me then I would not have been financially vulnerable. I am not financially vulnerable now either and neither is he. You don’t seem to grasp that these factors were considered when we jointly decided who would work and who would not.

it seems like people can't accept as reality anything but their own circumstances.

Saltysweetspicy · Yesterday 15:44

Better for them not to work and leave the jobs for people that really need them, no?

PatchworkCow · Yesterday 16:02

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 14:21

AAh.
I mean yes... if thats what works for people.
Some of us have more self-respect.

I don't equate earning money with self respect. I can respect myself and other people without either me or them being in paid employment. Self respect and respect for others comes from decency, humanity, kindness etc in my eyes. It doesn't come from working or from how much someone earns. I don't have higher respect for £100k earners than for people solely on benefits, to take two extremes. I judge people based on who they are - not whether they work, what they do for a living or how much they earn.

Perhaps that's where the main division lies (outside of those who are purely jealous)? Perhaps it comes down to whether people are status focused or personality focused, with the man given high status for being a high earner and able to afford to support a non-working spouse, whilst the woman he supports is seen as a low status worthless scavenger simply because she doesn't have a paid job. It's not an attitude I could ever agree with TBH.

Priyanka12 · Yesterday 16:09

What happens to them?
They fall back on benefits and maybe get a part-time job in a supermarket.
They downsize.
That's what it is.
"Career" is overrated unless you earn near 6 figures.

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 16:11

PatchworkCow · Yesterday 16:02

I don't equate earning money with self respect. I can respect myself and other people without either me or them being in paid employment. Self respect and respect for others comes from decency, humanity, kindness etc in my eyes. It doesn't come from working or from how much someone earns. I don't have higher respect for £100k earners than for people solely on benefits, to take two extremes. I judge people based on who they are - not whether they work, what they do for a living or how much they earn.

Perhaps that's where the main division lies (outside of those who are purely jealous)? Perhaps it comes down to whether people are status focused or personality focused, with the man given high status for being a high earner and able to afford to support a non-working spouse, whilst the woman he supports is seen as a low status worthless scavenger simply because she doesn't have a paid job. It's not an attitude I could ever agree with TBH.

I'm focused on being able to support myself if the worse was to happen,. and not be all over Mumsnet crying that I now cannot afford my lifestyle. Or indeed a roof over my head, and turning to benefits.
I have no respect for women who expect to be kept... its nothing to do with status. I much prefer having my own money and spending it as I see fit.

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 16:12

Priyanka12 · Yesterday 16:09

What happens to them?
They fall back on benefits and maybe get a part-time job in a supermarket.
They downsize.
That's what it is.
"Career" is overrated unless you earn near 6 figures.

Ah yes. Benefits.
The magic money tree.
Make shite decisions and the taxpayer will come to the rescue.

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 16:14

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 14:52

as all the savings were in my name, if dh had left me then I would not have been financially vulnerable. I am not financially vulnerable now either and neither is he. You don’t seem to grasp that these factors were considered when we jointly decided who would work and who would not.

Glad it worked out for you- honestly.
But lots of women on here don't have a pot to piss in and get totally screwed over when their husband/partner ends the relationship and leaves them high and dry.
I don't think they do consider the implications fully to be honest.,

WorstPaceScenario · Yesterday 16:15

I work three days a week, in a lower paid job than I'm capable of/qualified for. My husband is the breadwinner and works full time in a high-earning role which doesn't have a part time option, but is very strictly 9-5 with no travel or work brought home. We're both happy with the arrangement, I enjoy my work/life balance and he enjoys the days when I'm at home and there's less in the way of domestic stuff waiting to be done when he gets home. Everyone's a winner, except the OP who apparently couldn't bear to be in my position.

godmum56 · Yesterday 16:18

emmas123 · Yesterday 14:28

The only way to achieve that is a full separation of assets while they're still married. Which is very rare in that situation.

And even if that was to happen, the resources or means to create wealth stability is still very heavily geared to the partner who has been economically active (who would come away with demonstrated job history, NI contributions etc)

Edited

you are confusing "what if" with "how" How doesn't actually matter in the context of this discussion.

godmum56 · Yesterday 16:28

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 16:14

Glad it worked out for you- honestly.
But lots of women on here don't have a pot to piss in and get totally screwed over when their husband/partner ends the relationship and leaves them high and dry.
I don't think they do consider the implications fully to be honest.,

Edited

But that is not relevant to whether or not they are 'entitled" to do it. Yes some people make better (or luckier) marital and financial choices than others and some get thoroughly done over by others, some people choose lovely partners and live lives that don't allow for them to not work or to support their partner to not work. None of that is about entitlement.

godmum56 · Yesterday 16:29

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 16:11

I'm focused on being able to support myself if the worse was to happen,. and not be all over Mumsnet crying that I now cannot afford my lifestyle. Or indeed a roof over my head, and turning to benefits.
I have no respect for women who expect to be kept... its nothing to do with status. I much prefer having my own money and spending it as I see fit.

the women, including myself, who have posted on here do not expect to be kept and never did.

nutbrownhare15 · Yesterday 16:31

People in need of work are already struggling to find it.
So from that perspective they are actually doing others a favour.

godmum56 · Yesterday 16:35

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 14:44

Wow

what is there to wow about?

JHound · Yesterday 17:00

UnintentionalArcher · Yesterday 08:20

I think the OP expressed herself poorly here, but the general point she’s getting at (I think) is that choice is significantly shaped by social convention and in many relationships where one partner works part time, it’s the woman who does less and picks up housework etc, and this reflects something (not positive) about society. I will caveat this, as the OP has repeatedly, by saying it makes physical sense for the woman to stay at home more during very early childhood if possible owing to breastfeeding. I don’t mean in those years, but as time goes on.

I think there are two separate points here, but the OP isn’t always separating them that well (though some others are also being obtuse in their responses). One point is that it’s fine for equal partners to set up personal arrangements that suit them. The second (actually valid) point is that there’s a reason that some men feel a need to be in the breadwinner/provider role while some women are more likely to be the ones to stay at home. We don’t make our choices in a social vacuum.

This reflect the traditional and to an extent the socially sexist structuring of society.

That’s not to blame or judge any individual but it’s a fact that, at a societal level, tells us something about how we view and value the roles of men and women. Ultimately, these views hurt women, and are reflected through things like insufficient maternity provision, the undervaluing of paid caring roles etc. Again, this is no judgement of any single person’s choices, but that doesn’t mean we can ignore the impact of this reality.

OP doesn’t seem to deserve the consideration you are granting her. She has been quite clear in stating that’s it entitled behaviour even when agreed between the couple.