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To find this entitled?

483 replies

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahh · Yesterday 16:55

This doesn't apply to people with childcare or caring responsibilities, any sort of illness or disability which means they cannot work full time.
But I've seen a few people on here or social media basically saying 'I can do supply/care work/0 hours work and sometimes only get a shift or two a week, because my husband earns well.'

So they're pretty much choosing to swan about and avoid full-time work, because they assume their husband or partner will carry on in their high-earning, full time role.

What happens if this husband loses their job, becomes sick, or just decides they're sick of having to be the breadwinner?

I see it all the time on supply teacher pages,'Oh I've only had 1 day of work in 2 months but it's fine because my husband is the breadwinner!!'

There are other jobs where you could make a living, you just don't want to do them, yet you still want your dream forever house and luxury lifestyle. If it were the wife full-time and the husband taking the piss there would be uproar.

OP posts:
ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 19:28

chocoluv · Yesterday 19:04

Yes it does.

It’s like going skydiving without checking your parachute works.

You are ok because you are married but you have to make sure your marriage lasts, else how are you going to cope.

I would never want to rely on another person for my entire existence.

I would never let anyone have that much power over me.

I also find it unattractive when I hear that men don’t work (if physically capable) and it’s not something I would look for in a partner as for me it’s important that we are equals.

You seem to think these decisions are taken in isolation. Dh has no power over me and I have no power over him. If he dies, I get everything and vice versa. If we divorce it will be a 50/50 split. I will receive a full state pension and have a private pension that we set up when I wasn’t working. It a partnership of equals and neither of us has power over the other.

chocoluv · Yesterday 19:28

godmum56 · Yesterday 19:21

"I feel physically ill when I hear about women not having their own careers."

well either you are exagerating or you have bigger problems than worrying about other people's partnerships.

Not exaggerating, just live in the real world.

Stay on MN for a few years and you’ll start seeing how important it is for women to have their own careers and income.

Hopefully people aren’t encouraging their kids to not have a career either.

Moveoverdarlin · Yesterday 19:28

This is exactly why tell people I’m doing bits of freelance work from home when in reality I’m a SAHM who swans about and lives off my husband.

I can’t stand people who look down their nose at me because I don’t work like I’m some kind of brain dead bimbo. It’s almost like a race to the bottom - unless you’re full time, stressed to fuck, juggling kids clubs, tearing your hair out, going for promotion, screeching in to the car park on parents evening it’s like you’re half a woman.

For me the women that do a bit of supply work, or do two days here and there or have got to the top of their game and can pick and choose when they work.

Needmorelego · Yesterday 19:33

chocoluv · Yesterday 19:28

Not exaggerating, just live in the real world.

Stay on MN for a few years and you’ll start seeing how important it is for women to have their own careers and income.

Hopefully people aren’t encouraging their kids to not have a career either.

Does it have to be a career or are people allowed to have a job ?
I had a job. It paid me a wage. I went to work, did what needed to be done and and at the end of the day went home and that was that.
It certainly wasn't a career.

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · Yesterday 19:33

The difference is that most men do not do as much of the domestic slog as women do.
The majority of men when they have time off work, are not dusting, hoovering, washing, ironing, putting laundry away, tidying up, washing up, drying up, cleaning the bathroom, washing floors. Sorting through wardrobes and getting rid of insured item, or a million other things.

So no, it’s not the same.

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · Yesterday 19:35

I’m not saying that I agree with it, I don’t. I work full time and earn my own money.

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 19:36

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · Yesterday 19:33

The difference is that most men do not do as much of the domestic slog as women do.
The majority of men when they have time off work, are not dusting, hoovering, washing, ironing, putting laundry away, tidying up, washing up, drying up, cleaning the bathroom, washing floors. Sorting through wardrobes and getting rid of insured item, or a million other things.

So no, it’s not the same.

Ime a list can be useful In this scenario.

chocoluv · Yesterday 19:42

Needmorelego · Yesterday 19:33

Does it have to be a career or are people allowed to have a job ?
I had a job. It paid me a wage. I went to work, did what needed to be done and and at the end of the day went home and that was that.
It certainly wasn't a career.

Yes of course, work is work.

Most jobs are careers or can lead to careers.

It’s just about being independent and being able to stand on your own two feet isn’t it.

godmum56 · Yesterday 19:43

chocoluv · Yesterday 19:28

Not exaggerating, just live in the real world.

Stay on MN for a few years and you’ll start seeing how important it is for women to have their own careers and income.

Hopefully people aren’t encouraging their kids to not have a career either.

but to feel physically ill???

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 19:48

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · Yesterday 19:33

The difference is that most men do not do as much of the domestic slog as women do.
The majority of men when they have time off work, are not dusting, hoovering, washing, ironing, putting laundry away, tidying up, washing up, drying up, cleaning the bathroom, washing floors. Sorting through wardrobes and getting rid of insured item, or a million other things.

So no, it’s not the same.

I don’t do much of that to be fair. I probably do a couple of hours housework a week and I’m at home all day. Life’s too short.

Boreded · Yesterday 19:48

IStillHearTheWaves · Yesterday 18:35

Because doing the washing, ironing, cleaning and cooking for two adults isn't going to be comparable to going to work every day - especially for a job that earns enough for one person to be the 'breadwinner' (cringe).

People are usually very vocal about parity when it comes to SAHMs being taken advantage of and never getting a break, when their 'DH' buggers off cycling or whatever every weekend. Is this something that's been 'agreed' also?

But it doesn’t need to be comparable, and also who are we to decide what is comparable. Some people will work for minimum wage because that’s what is acceptable to them, others won’t get out of bed for less than 100k per annum. It is all about how we value our and our partner’s time.

if one can support the other, and is happy to, why would someone go and work a potentially lower paid job for no real benefit to the family. Imagine someone earning 200k a year, do you think he or she expects their partner to go to work in a 25k a year job, of course not. It doesn’t make financial sense

Needmorelego · Yesterday 19:49

chocoluv · Yesterday 19:42

Yes of course, work is work.

Most jobs are careers or can lead to careers.

It’s just about being independent and being able to stand on your own two feet isn’t it.

Maybe I didn't want to be independent.
I wouldn't have got married if I wanted to be independent.
I wanted a shared life.

Chocolattecoffeecup · Yesterday 19:52

I know what you mean OP. I believe some men don't like their wives to work and women who are happy to do childcare and housework. Personally I'd rather work!

There must be cases where it causes friction but that's not my problem or o
yours.

IStillHearTheWaves · Yesterday 19:54

Boreded · Yesterday 19:48

But it doesn’t need to be comparable, and also who are we to decide what is comparable. Some people will work for minimum wage because that’s what is acceptable to them, others won’t get out of bed for less than 100k per annum. It is all about how we value our and our partner’s time.

if one can support the other, and is happy to, why would someone go and work a potentially lower paid job for no real benefit to the family. Imagine someone earning 200k a year, do you think he or she expects their partner to go to work in a 25k a year job, of course not. It doesn’t make financial sense

Why not? Where's the shame is a 25k job? I see shame in laziness.

I also see dick swinging neanderthals who like the 'prestige of having a kept woman beneath them.

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 19:54

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahh · Yesterday 17:04

I can see why, but I would honestly rather work than take advantage of my husband.

Me too.
I could never be comfortable with being dependent on a man for my standard of living.
I guess some women like being kept

Totaldramallama · Yesterday 19:55

I find the language around going to work on Mn so funny, especially when it's about poor little men being taken advantage of. Slogging it out at work all day. Oh please. But when it's women working its a different language, career and independence and using your brain and being the top of your field. Btw my husband earns 150k and WFH so I see what he does and don't feel bad about my part time local gov job 😂

UniquePinkSwan · Yesterday 19:56

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 17:03

I have met men doing this.

They would be called a cocklodger on here

RavenRoise · Yesterday 19:59

Feel as if I could have wrote this!
And person I know exactly like this says they dont have time to do anything like go for groceries. I honestly cringe.

BoredZelda · Yesterday 20:00

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahh · Yesterday 17:02

My point is that men wouldn't get away with this the same way a lot of women do.

Why wouldn’t they? Who would stop them?

Boreded · Yesterday 20:01

IStillHearTheWaves · Yesterday 19:54

Why not? Where's the shame is a 25k job? I see shame in laziness.

I also see dick swinging neanderthals who like the 'prestige of having a kept woman beneath them.

Edited

Because if both people in the relationship are happy, then it is ok for one to be a house wife or house husband.

There is nothing wrong with a minimum wage job, but the knowledge that your partner is not having to work themselves and can instead relax and enjoy life more, whilst taking care of the household is ok. If you have the money to do this and you want to then you should

BoredZelda · Yesterday 20:02

UniquePinkSwan · Yesterday 19:56

They would be called a cocklodger on here

Not necessarily. If a guy is doing all the house stuff, whilst the woman is working, that’s a fair deal, isn’t it?

Whenever I’ve seen that hideous phrase used it’s because a guy is doing absolutely nothing.

IStillHearTheWaves · Yesterday 20:02

Boreded · Yesterday 20:01

Because if both people in the relationship are happy, then it is ok for one to be a house wife or house husband.

There is nothing wrong with a minimum wage job, but the knowledge that your partner is not having to work themselves and can instead relax and enjoy life more, whilst taking care of the household is ok. If you have the money to do this and you want to then you should

And the attitudes of the men who want a little housewifey and be the big provider?

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 20:03

Tanyasfatmate · Yesterday 17:43

My DH works long hours in a very high pressured job. I have worked PT only since having kids (now older teens). You ARE being unreasonable to consider me entitled, lazy or whatever. Why? Because I pick up EVERYTHING else to do with the family and home... dealing with all the finances, family stuff (including ageing parents), feeding and clothing everyone, keeping the house and garden clean and well-maintained, same with cars and pets. I even run DH to the station and since the kids have been old enough to leave unattended, collect him again at 7.30pm even on dark icy nights.
I'd actually have enough to keep me busy if I didn't work at all (in my low-paid "little job") but I do it to have a bit of cash myself, earn a state pension, and stop women like the OP sneering at me and branding me a shirker.
Oh, you do anyway.

Point taken but important to remember that some people do all the household responsibilities /admin etc and work full time too.
I presume your husband has the majority of the financial responsibility?

ShanghaiDiva · Yesterday 20:05

Boreded · Yesterday 20:01

Because if both people in the relationship are happy, then it is ok for one to be a house wife or house husband.

There is nothing wrong with a minimum wage job, but the knowledge that your partner is not having to work themselves and can instead relax and enjoy life more, whilst taking care of the household is ok. If you have the money to do this and you want to then you should

Agree. Dh and a very demanding job and I think it made his life a little easier knowing there was nothing he had to worry about at home or with the DCs. I handled everything from shopping, bills, holiday planning, parents’ evening, laundry, helping with homework, birthday parties…etc
It also meant that he could relax at the weekend.

chocoluv · Yesterday 20:06

Needmorelego · Yesterday 19:49

Maybe I didn't want to be independent.
I wouldn't have got married if I wanted to be independent.
I wanted a shared life.

You can’t be independent in a marriage?

What do you teach your kids?
Do you tell them not to bother having a career and to just get married instead?

There was a thread just the other day about someone having a sugar daddy.

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