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FIL - I can’t bare him and his stupid behaviour and I’m close to exploding

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Sovereigns · 03/08/2026 14:51

I feel like I’m going to snap. I’ve name changed as I’ve spoken to a few people in real life about this and it would be obvious who I am.

My father in law - I’ve never liked him. I don’t know what it is, he has the most annoying face and stupid expressions. He always has to be centre of attention. On our wedding day the person doing the video went over to him and he just stared into it with a stupid grin slowly opening a bottle of wine and it completely ruined the video as it’s so, so annoying. Everyone says so, it’s not just me.

During the summer holidays he’s taken it upon himself to visit every morning to see the kids (unfortunately he only lives a short walk away). He lets himself in through the back door and then just stands there in the kitchen grinning, not saying anything. I’ve started just completely ignoring him until he walks in and speaks like a normal person.

Thing is I can feel myself boiling over with rage. On Friday he came in, stood there not speaking so I ignored him and he suddenly shouted “I’ve Brayed my Bonce!” Baby was asleep, woke up in shock, started crying and I was so annoyed I just snapped and said “Right. Why did you come here then?” Whilst I saw to the baby.

On Saturday DH made a big carrot cake and FIL came in and shouted “where’s my lump?”. DH said we’re not cutting it yet. Later that evening he rang up saying “don’t forget I want a lump”.

Yesterday morning he came around and said “when am I getting my lump?” So I snapped and said “DH will you just cut him some cake please, I’m getting sick of hearing about the fucking thing”. He winds me up more than anyone I have ever met. I’m getting annoyed just writing this post.

This morning he came in - stood in the kitchen grinning with his arm outstretched holding the tub the cake was put in so I snapped “what??? Just put it on the side!! What are you just stood there with it for??”

he put it down and said “right, I assume you’re busy so I’ll leave you to it” and left. Now I’m thinking is it me??

OP posts:
honeylulu · 04/08/2026 10:01

I posted upthread about my relative who sounds similar in irritating mannerisms and have since read OP's update about the dog/cattle/holiday. That is beyond irritating, that is sooo obnoxious. Also sounds like my relative (though I don't think he would do anything downright dangerous) who finds it hilarious to play "pranks" like a class clown, oblivious to the fact that the person being pranked (and others) find it annoying and at their own expense.

Example, family member carrying a wedding cake into the venue, clearly struggling under the weight and concentrating very hard keeping it level. I leapt forward to hold the door open (a fairly normal reaction). Prankster kept leaping in front of her side to side saying don't drop it, don't drop it hahaha. When she eventually put it down and snapped at him he said something like women always nagging, it's a celebration why not enjoy yourself, don't be such a misery and kept repeating it over and over. I'm only surprised that he didn't get the cake smashed over his head.

It's hard to explain to people who haven't encountered these characters as it's all dressed up as harmless jolly japes but it is Just. So. Wearing.

ThatCyanCat · 04/08/2026 10:17

TheAverageJoanne · 04/08/2026 08:57

I've got horrible flashbacks to my Uncle Malcolm. He used to come over and present us with something, a comic or sweets or something, and then snatch it away and start guffawing.

He used to performatively fart too and lift one bum cheek off the sofa and say "I've whistled in my Yfronts open the window please" in a sing song voice.

And burp when he had a mug of tea and say "pardon my genie". Every single time. It was so bizarre.

He wasn't even old though, not even 40.

Edited

Why do people indulge these... things? Why aren't they roughly booted out of every home and event and told to get it together?

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 10:28

I have a husband, 18 years my senior, and he has some odd traits. I do get irritated, like the OP.

EVERY morning, without fail, he says “Chuck the milk over.” And I swear one day I will do just that.

He tries to engage me in conversation but as soon as I start to speak, he interrupts and talks over me, so I give up.

He can do some DIY well but more often doesn’t or leaves it half done.

Yesterday, I cleared 3 bin bags of rubbish (he chomps on sweets constantly) from his car and removed the bits of dead Christmas tree that has been there since January. Actually, my car, both are mine, I let him use one.

He does very little round house except to cook a huge breakfast on Sunday, which I spend rest of day clearing up.

He tries to run my finances and plan any holidays and trips I take.

He has cluttered my house with folders of old sheet music and vinyl LPs, which he collate details of on index cards and then never looks at again.

He says things like: “what are you doing today? Haven’t you better get a move on?”

He pretends to be asleep if jobs need doing and then when I’ve done them, says: “I was going to do that!”

He makes random shouting noises: “Right!” “Good!”

If I hang washing out, he says: “it won’t dry out there!” Even in this weather .

He watches crime shows constantly on TV and if I move round house, he pauses it because he can’t hear if I am “ banging about.”

He fights with inanimate objects and everything is a “Bloody thing”.

Describing his driving would be a thread of its own, suffice to say, I refuse to get in car if he’s driving. It’s terrifying.

I don’t know why some older men are such hard work. I guess they were raised in a patriarchal society and it changed. And maybe, like older women often say, they feel invisible and have to crash about to get noticed. It’s a bit sad really.

SleeptightEvangeline · 04/08/2026 10:30

ThatCyanCat · 04/08/2026 10:17

Why do people indulge these... things? Why aren't they roughly booted out of every home and event and told to get it together?

With our neighbour, everyone just avoided him in the end. He’s now extremely elderly, widowed and infirm. His children all live in his home country (UK) and never visit him.

Out of sheer human compassion we ensure as a community that he’s ok.
Not only does he expect this, he feels it’s the least we can do because he’s been such a local celeb, been so helpful(?????) and brightened our otherwise bleak lives with his top notch banter and endless pranks.

One by one we’re backing out now.

Yetone · 04/08/2026 10:44

OP, I think you can manage his behaviour a bit better. If your husband won’t speak to him then you have to. You do not have to have him in the house unless your husband is there. Tell him not to bang on your windows and keep your door locked. If he does bang tell him that you have asked him not to bang and that you can’t let him in because he has woken the baby. Tell him to come back when your husband is there.
Hide your biscuit tin. If he goes looking for it then tell him to stop going through your stuff.
I know that it must be wearing for you. My husband used to work with someone like this. He and his wife were coming back from holiday. They got the ferry from France. On the ferry, his long suffering wife vanished and he next heard he heard from her was when she filed for divorce.

mishmashmess · 04/08/2026 10:45

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 10:28

I have a husband, 18 years my senior, and he has some odd traits. I do get irritated, like the OP.

EVERY morning, without fail, he says “Chuck the milk over.” And I swear one day I will do just that.

He tries to engage me in conversation but as soon as I start to speak, he interrupts and talks over me, so I give up.

He can do some DIY well but more often doesn’t or leaves it half done.

Yesterday, I cleared 3 bin bags of rubbish (he chomps on sweets constantly) from his car and removed the bits of dead Christmas tree that has been there since January. Actually, my car, both are mine, I let him use one.

He does very little round house except to cook a huge breakfast on Sunday, which I spend rest of day clearing up.

He tries to run my finances and plan any holidays and trips I take.

He has cluttered my house with folders of old sheet music and vinyl LPs, which he collate details of on index cards and then never looks at again.

He says things like: “what are you doing today? Haven’t you better get a move on?”

He pretends to be asleep if jobs need doing and then when I’ve done them, says: “I was going to do that!”

He makes random shouting noises: “Right!” “Good!”

If I hang washing out, he says: “it won’t dry out there!” Even in this weather .

He watches crime shows constantly on TV and if I move round house, he pauses it because he can’t hear if I am “ banging about.”

He fights with inanimate objects and everything is a “Bloody thing”.

Describing his driving would be a thread of its own, suffice to say, I refuse to get in car if he’s driving. It’s terrifying.

I don’t know why some older men are such hard work. I guess they were raised in a patriarchal society and it changed. And maybe, like older women often say, they feel invisible and have to crash about to get noticed. It’s a bit sad really.

Dear god, why are you still married to him? I am enraged just reading about him!

OP, you are going to have to be blunt, and sod the rest of the family's views on that. Own mask on first, etc.

Yetone · 04/08/2026 10:48

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 10:28

I have a husband, 18 years my senior, and he has some odd traits. I do get irritated, like the OP.

EVERY morning, without fail, he says “Chuck the milk over.” And I swear one day I will do just that.

He tries to engage me in conversation but as soon as I start to speak, he interrupts and talks over me, so I give up.

He can do some DIY well but more often doesn’t or leaves it half done.

Yesterday, I cleared 3 bin bags of rubbish (he chomps on sweets constantly) from his car and removed the bits of dead Christmas tree that has been there since January. Actually, my car, both are mine, I let him use one.

He does very little round house except to cook a huge breakfast on Sunday, which I spend rest of day clearing up.

He tries to run my finances and plan any holidays and trips I take.

He has cluttered my house with folders of old sheet music and vinyl LPs, which he collate details of on index cards and then never looks at again.

He says things like: “what are you doing today? Haven’t you better get a move on?”

He pretends to be asleep if jobs need doing and then when I’ve done them, says: “I was going to do that!”

He makes random shouting noises: “Right!” “Good!”

If I hang washing out, he says: “it won’t dry out there!” Even in this weather .

He watches crime shows constantly on TV and if I move round house, he pauses it because he can’t hear if I am “ banging about.”

He fights with inanimate objects and everything is a “Bloody thing”.

Describing his driving would be a thread of its own, suffice to say, I refuse to get in car if he’s driving. It’s terrifying.

I don’t know why some older men are such hard work. I guess they were raised in a patriarchal society and it changed. And maybe, like older women often say, they feel invisible and have to crash about to get noticed. It’s a bit sad really.

Why, why why are you still with him. Divorce now. You are only going to end up looking after him in his old age.

HarshbutTrue2 · 04/08/2026 11:10

BunnyLake · 04/08/2026 08:52

To be fair boomer men can be insufferable (I’m a ‘boomer’ woman).Even my son said why are older men so bloody awful! I even heard one recently tell a young woman minding her own business to ‘smile love’. I wanted to rip into him.

That smile comment!!
"Cheer up it might not happen." and similar.
I used to wonder if I had a miserable face. No. It was just a stupid man comment.

BunnyLake · 04/08/2026 11:25

HarshbutTrue2 · 04/08/2026 11:10

That smile comment!!
"Cheer up it might not happen." and similar.
I used to wonder if I had a miserable face. No. It was just a stupid man comment.

My son was with me and we just looked at each other and said, really, old men are still coming out with this crap? We didn’t approach him though. He didn’t say it aggressively, he was grinning and obviously thought he was hilarious and original. I was fuming so much inside, he was well into his sixties and she was just a young woman of probably barely 20 and gave him a weak smile back. It was month’s ago now and I’m winding myself up about it again 🤦‍♀️ 😂

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 11:35

BunnyLake · 04/08/2026 11:25

My son was with me and we just looked at each other and said, really, old men are still coming out with this crap? We didn’t approach him though. He didn’t say it aggressively, he was grinning and obviously thought he was hilarious and original. I was fuming so much inside, he was well into his sixties and she was just a young woman of probably barely 20 and gave him a weak smile back. It was month’s ago now and I’m winding myself up about it again 🤦‍♀️ 😂

“Cheer up LOVE, it may never happen!”

My dad, God bless him, he’s 88 and thoroughly lovely but… supervises me reversing into spaces: “Go on, go on, go on…. STOP!!” How does he think I manage when he’s not there?

Honestly though, they are good men but with their position in the world displaced . You can to be a bit tolerant whilst standing your ground!

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 11:37

Yetone · 04/08/2026 10:48

Why, why why are you still with him. Divorce now. You are only going to end up looking after him in his old age.

I just laugh and go out. I have a busy life which I enjoy. You have to do your own thing.

QueenCamillaMW · 04/08/2026 11:37

I suppose that for centuries this kind of crap was tolerated due to the patriachy, no divorce, women being financially dependent, no domestic violence laws, etc.

Not anymore though. It must be a shock for the current generations of 'funny' men.

Corianda · 04/08/2026 11:46

Older men do speak over you and mansplain - my neighbour, my age, 70s, the other day explained a gardening tehnique at length, something I'd told him several years ago

Bobcurlygirl · 04/08/2026 11:47

Have an action plan:
Ring doorbell or equivalent on back door
Lock door
Privacy film on windows
Get a sign saying no banging on windows
Open door "not today John it's not convenient, hubby will arrange a get together"
No holidays together ever
Kids are busy today sorry. They'll see you Saturday
Grey rock, grey rock.
If he is standing there gurning "was there something you wanted John?" or "can you use your words John"
Remove all emotion. I think he is looking for you to get wound up.

Reminds me of a kids party I went to in the mid 80s. This kid lived some distance from school so we had never met her parents as she came on a bus. We were about 10-11y old and whilst mum was OK dad was one of these. Stood around grinning in a stupid manner but had his one joke he told over and over again.
Child "can I go to the toilet please?"
Gurner "I don't know, can you?" collapsing in laughter.. Over and over and not funny the first time. We all looked at each other like "wtf". I often wonder what her like was like as we lost touch after school.

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 11:49

QueenCamillaMW · 04/08/2026 11:37

I suppose that for centuries this kind of crap was tolerated due to the patriachy, no divorce, women being financially dependent, no domestic violence laws, etc.

Not anymore though. It must be a shock for the current generations of 'funny' men.

👍🏻 hopefully we’re bringing up our sons differently and those with daughters not to put up with it!
Tomorrow’s Woman’s Hour- why older men make noises. I’ll come back here if I find out why and how to deal with it.

Yetone · 04/08/2026 11:55

SevenYellowHammers · 04/08/2026 11:37

I just laugh and go out. I have a busy life which I enjoy. You have to do your own thing.

Are you not worried that you are just not invited out by friends in case you bring him or that you will end up caring for him. I could not be dealing with that while I was at home. Is he rich? 😂

Livelovebehappy · 04/08/2026 12:08

thepariscrimefiles · 04/08/2026 06:53

You are one of the many 'be kind' posters whose kindness never ever extends to the OP.

If you wouldn't take issue with him deliberately letting a dog into a field of livestock at the risk of all the animals just to wind up the dog's owners who he doesn't even know, just for shits and giggles, there is something not quite right with you.

And had this happened, surely OP would have mentioned it at the very start? Its definitely far worse than 'smiling'. Typically with these sorts of posts, drip feeds come thick and fast to make the person being talked about to be more and more nasty/unhinged. Instead of being passive agressive and coming on here to bitch, OP could confront him on his next visit - "okay FIL, im sick of seeing your smiley face round here. I hate you and dont want to share my space with you going forward. And while im at it; tell the MIL i dont like her either. And btw, your friends and acquaintemces dont like you (not that thats any of my business, but just throwing that out there....) you can obviously continue to see my dh and your dgc (i know they disappear when youre around but i think thats them feeding off my negative energy)...." OP will feel so much better getting it off her chest and it will create a calmer atmosphere at home. Cant be a nice place to be for anyone with all this bottled up hatred.

60andcounting · 04/08/2026 12:09

I know it's serious to you Op, but I've got tears running down my face laughing at your examples. He could be a character in a sitcom.

sum12luv · 04/08/2026 12:26

Oh my goodness! He sounds exactly like my husband. My husband is now in a residential home due to a serious mental illness, However, before this, after years of struggling with relationships and employment, he was diagnosed with ASD at the age of 52.

I married him because he has a gentle and loving side, and he seemed incredibly vulnerable. However, we had to live apart in the end.

One of the difficulties my husband has is not primarily due to autism, but rather it is the effect of masking or being really misunderstood for years. In the 60s and 70s, when these men were children, there was very little understanding about autism or SEN in general. They conformed in any way they could, or developed a character.. Undoing, decades of masking, denial, and unmet needs is really hard. The dialect issue is really interesting. My husband adopted the accents and dialects of those he worked with, as a way of fitting in. He is actually a really good mimic. The chocolate bars are also uncannily similar. My husband used to 'buy' friendship with sweets at school, and he gives cigarettes and money away at his home.

As for what to do, well, that is difficult. My first response would be to suggest you try to task FIL up with useful chores. However, I can see from the thread that this has not worked. Boundaries don't really work with my husband. I have to block him temporarily on the phone due to the frequency of calls.

I really wish I had something really helpful to suggest. Yet, I do suggest that strategies that may be recommended for younger people with difficulties like the FIL, may not work and it could be the case that when he turns up uninvited you could say, 'Na' then lad. There's nowt for thee 'ere so get thissen off back yem until five o'clock and I'll make thee a cup o' tea'. (Really apologise for the terrible attempt at dialect).

SuburbanCrofter · 04/08/2026 12:43

He sounds like a character who used to be in the Fast Show, Colin Hunt.

UpDownAllAround1 · 04/08/2026 12:48

harry enfield character - only me….

TheAverageJoanne · 04/08/2026 12:52

ThatCyanCat · 04/08/2026 10:17

Why do people indulge these... things? Why aren't they roughly booted out of every home and event and told to get it together?

He's my dad's brother and my mum was too polite I think. He's coming up to 70 now and he is still an oddball. His wife divorced him. My cousin didn't even have him at her wedding.

Cherrysoup · 04/08/2026 13:08

Sovereigns · 03/08/2026 15:00

Yeah I tried that and he just stands there banging on the windows

I hate to ask the obvious question, but have you told your DH you don’t want his idiotic df round EVERY SINGLE FUCKING MORNING? This would drive me nuts. Also, have you ever told him he’s desperately unfunny? I couldn’t help it, I’d have to say it.

godmum56 · 04/08/2026 13:09

Corianda · 04/08/2026 11:46

Older men do speak over you and mansplain - my neighbour, my age, 70s, the other day explained a gardening tehnique at length, something I'd told him several years ago

younger people do it too.

forceofhabitandnotneed · 04/08/2026 13:10

TheAverageJoanne · 04/08/2026 12:52

He's my dad's brother and my mum was too polite I think. He's coming up to 70 now and he is still an oddball. His wife divorced him. My cousin didn't even have him at her wedding.

I'm amazed how many of these kind of blokes are coupled up, even allowing for what women were expected to tolerate in the past.