AIBU to be deeply concerned about the recent influx of 30k+ undocumented arrivals in Spain?

[ChirpyUmberBiscuit]

AIBU to feel really unsettled by the recent news coming out of Spain and Ceuta? Reports are showing that tens of thousands of undocumented migrants have crossed over in such a short window, completely overwhelming local infrastructure, reception centers, and security forces.

I know migration is always a sensitive and compassionate topic, but looking at these numbers practically, I don't see how any European border region can absorb 30,000 to 50,000 arrivals almost overnight without severe strain on public resources, local housing, and emergency services.

What worries me even more is the precedent it sets for the rest of Europe and the UK down the line. Surely there has to be a firm balance between humanitarian support and actual, enforceable border control?

Am I being completely unreasonable to view this as a serious policy and security crisis, or are others feeling equally concerned about where this leads?

Would love to hear honest thoughts on how this should actually be handled!

That’s interesting I thought they held off publishing this data - my bad.

Has this been addressed. I think not.

I don’t claim to know everyone in the country.

I’m talking about this thread.

And if you can show a single quote on any thread where I have called anyone a racist or far right, I’ll eat my hat.

This data will be glossed over

There are multiple shades of right in the same way there are multiple shades of left.

In Finland, all 4 parties in the coalition are at a minimum centrist (1 party who are pro immigration but who have had to swallow the anti immigration policies). Of the other 3, 2 are right wing and 1 is centre right.

in Denmark, the left parties have taken on right wing policies re immigration so they are a mix of left (fiscal, social) and right (immigration).

Gosh! I hope they dont swim from Ceuta to the UK

Well I don’t know everyone either, but I am aware of the views of people like Diane Abbott, Caroline Lucas, Zarah Suktana and Zack Polanski for example. I am aware of anyone attempting to curb mass immigration being smeared, any debate shut down by far left ‘activists’, deportation physically blocked.

Na, theres a well established route through France.

Instead of a Chat GPT copy and paste, why don’t you actually look at the ONS website.

There were 210k sexual assaults last year. So not sure why you think my figure of 80k is too high? If anything, it’s low.

I’ve just googled it and can’t see an instance of any of those people calling for uncontrolled immigration.

I’d be interested to see a quote that shows they have, because I wouldn’t agree with that view.

France is panicking now about their borders ,do you think they realise it's on mainland Africa as well ?

Anyway I hope we can leave the ehcr asap

You need to work on your googling a little bit, maybe start with the green party manifesto:

‘The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.’

Maybe check out Zarahs video cheering on the reduction in white people in London and increase in immigrants.

Quite frankly, it’s quite odd you’re even attempting to claim this isn’t the result of left wing dogma. it’s as ridiculous as labelling 70% of the country racist and far right.

I think these people have done enormous damage to the future of my children and grandchildren and I’m going to vote at every opportunity to attempt to stop and maybe reverse it ..and hopefully see the people responsible punished, banished to live the rest of their life in a diverse street full of HMOs in Birmingham would do.

Only left wing people truely understand geography, same as economics

That quote says ‘managed immigration’ though. Which is the opposite of ‘uncontrolled immigration’.

My reading of that quote is that an ideal world may be one where we can all be nomads who can travel the world without borders, but that’s not the reality, so we need ‘managed immigration’.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/video/2016/apr/25/patrick-stewart-sketch-what-has-the-echr-ever-done-for-us-video?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

The pure data shows that only 4,458 people of all races and nationalities combined were even prosecuted for sexual offences in the entire country.

You pulled 80k outta nowhere.

Why is data from the UK and fellow European countries just ignored?

So what's your plan for dealing with the Good Friday Agreement that relies on us having the ECHR?

Populist politicians are pushing the leave the ECHR position but aren't explaining how it will effect the country. Immigration is a very complex issue and any politician pushing a simple solution is bullshitting.

The Danish government centre left in every way leading a tiny country of 6 million defends its culture and that’s right wing? Does that mean you don’t agree with it and you’re left wing.
If they are left wing in every conceivable way any policy that you perceive, in your country, as right wing - they must be a right wing government. Or are they a country looking to perpetuate its very successful culture?
It’s like people on the left who call the, very obviously, not on the right JK Rowling right wing because she doesn’t agree with them on one policy.
It’s divisive, simplistic and dangerous.

I’m talking about the number sexual assaults recorded by the police.

You’ve got yourself confused there.

Who said it was simple ?

However we are unable to be flexible in accordance with what we as a country need and it's clear the ehcr is the one standing in our way

Legal heavyweights in the conservative party have ideas. They are probably more experience than us and have their ideas.

We definitely need to secure our borders and deport any non citizen we see fit.

Yeah and? Where is your 80k from. You ignore all the per capita data from here and from Europe. My danish data was clear as well.

Legal heavyweights in the conservative party

Bit of an oxymoron.